Cycle 25: No Global Warming - Mini Ice Age Is Next

[jem]

Quote from Brass:

Ricter, have you noticed how jem consistently finds himself on the wrong side of every single argument he engages in? Every single one, with not a single exception I am aware of, be it the birther garbage, evolution, climate change, you name it. What are the odds? Do you think it might be parody?

You are such a coward.

I am still waiting for you to show me proof that life evolved from non life here on earth.

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I don't get involved in arguments unless I am correct.
Therefore, in the rare argument I am proven wrong I acknowledge it.

I tip toed into this debate a long time ago asking for proof and answers.

When I started to see the data from the Ice Cores... I was stunned.

 

[Brass]

Quote from jem:

You are such a coward.

I am still waiting for you to show me proof that life evolved from non life here on earth...

And in its presumed absence, that can only mean there is a god, thereby falsifying evolution? Oh, about abiogensis?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081016141411.htm

I suppose the bible has something more concrete to offer?

Quote from jem:

...I don't get involved in arguments unless I am correct...

Then why is your post count above zero?

Quote from jem:

...I was stunned.

Stunned. Good choice of words.

 

[jem]

Quote from Brass:

And in its presumed absence, that can only mean there is a god, thereby falsifying evolution? Oh, about abiogensis?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081016141411.htm

I suppose the bible has something more concrete to offer?

Then why is your post count above zero?

Stunned. Good choice of words.

when a lefty is faced with facts they attack.
I never made that argument... scarecrow.

 

[jem]

Quote from Ricter:

That's fair, though you did not mention that CO2 accumulation will, if nothing else, lengthen the cycle's period. Before large scale human industry, there likely was a rather steady state of vegetation and CO2 release, so the minor perturbations of solar output and orbit were the main drivers of temperature change, which, 1000 years later resulted in CO2 increase, as you point out. Presumably the CO2 increase was insufficient to outweigh the perturbations and move the equilibrium point. But if a third party begins adding CO2 "before its time", it is a new ballgame, because CO2 does trap heat. Should the addition of CO2 remain constant, then presumably a new equilibrium will be found over a long period of time (it may be an "unfriendly" equilibrium). And I think it plausible that a new, higher background CO2 level could make the original "perturbers" have a greater effect, aka more violent. I think the acceleration of manmade CO2 is irresponsible.

Excellent we agree.
Its could be a new ballgame... If the earth does not adjust.
It may exacerbate or modulate or moderate the extremes. It could speed up the process or slow it down.
We do not know. I even agree with your acceleration comment. It should be far more measured but not cap and trade and not with transfer payments to foreigners.

 

[murray t turtle]

Quote from pspr:

I hate people who say, "I told you so!".

The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots seen at their peak.

We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’ – which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.

Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona – derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface – suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ight-Thames-freezing-again.html#ixzz1krBg2kAa

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Thats a ''cool'' article/cool trend.

And even though the global warming scammers maybe seemed to be right in TX,?? after all USDA moved TX in a warmer map section recently.GOOG for details.

But a simple read proves the value of an article, compared to headline hysteria.''For the first time USDA map NOW factors in the well known trends; as cities are hotter than rural areas, bodies of waters, prevailing winds & slope of land.''Thank you USDA for disclosing that.

Andhere are more cool trends against the global warming scammers-USDA spokesman Kim Kaplan said ''the {NEW USDA map} is not a good instrument to demonstrate climate change because it is only based on coldest days of the year''

You have to respect the USDA for thier honesty;
many climate changers dont disclose little truths like cities are known to be warmer than rural areas,depends on slope of land/ frost pockets...

 

[Ricter]

Quote from murray t turtle:

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Thats a ''cool'' article/cool trend.

And even though the global warming scammers maybe seemed to be right in TX,?? after all USDA moved TX in a warmer map section recently.GOOG for details.

But a simple read proves the value of an article, compared to headline hysteria.''For the first time USDA map NOW factors in the well known trends; as cities are hotter than rural areas, bodies of waters, prevailing winds & slope of land.''Thank you USDA for disclosing that.

Andhere are more cool trends against the global warming scammers-USDA spokesman Kim Kaplan said ''the {NEW USDA map} is not a good instrument to demonstrate climate change because it is only based on coldest days of the year''

You have to respect the USDA for thier honesty;
many climate changers dont disclose little truths like cities are known to be warmer than rural areas,depends on slope of land/ frost pockets...

But, at the end of the day, melting ice doesn't lie.

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from Ricter:

But, at the end of the day, melting ice doesn't lie.

lol.

Melting ice is melting ice. It does not indicate a anthropogenic source of the warming that caused it to melt.

Temps have increased 1.8 degrees F over the last 100 years. That seems clear. But a 1.8 degree fluctuation is not significant when viewed in the context of temperature fluctuations over the last several million years.

You just can't say that something that happened over the last 100 years is divergent from what has been happening for eons.

The OP, in my view, is correct. The greater threat is an ice-age.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from 377OHMS:

lol.

Melting ice is melting ice. It does not indicate a anthropogenic source of the warming..

That is correct, but murray did not qualify his "global warming scam" so.

 

[Brass]

Quote from 377OHMS:

...Temps have increased 1.8 degrees F over the last 100 years. That seems clear. But a 1.8 degree fluctuation is not significant when viewed in the context of temperature fluctuations over the last several million years...

You underestimate the impact of incremental changes to average temperature on current ecosystems upon which we have become reliant. That's rather cavalier of you.

 

[Lucrum]

Scores die in icy weather across Europe


http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...icy-weather-across-europe-20120202-1qtxy.html


"...In Romania, temperatures plunged to minus 32.5 C , and six homeless people died in the past 24 hours of hypothermia, the health ministry reported. Hundreds of other people were sent to shelters to protect them from the extreme cold.

Five people died of hypothermia in the last day in Poland, bringing its toll up to 20 since Friday.

Several schools across Hungary suspended classes, including one in the east that said it could not afford the high heating bills. The airport in Montenegro's capital Podgorica was closed down for all flights late Wednesday because of heavy snowfall.

In Russia, temperatures fell to minus 21 C in Moscow but only one person was reported to have died of the cold."