Current thinking - teach all religions. I say abolish it all

For believers, it is normal, as there are some concepts about "evil spirits" embedded into religions.
This test is for atheists : when it matters, they become "superstitious". When it matters most ( death beds),
they basically all ask for some religious people to confess and so on.

Atheists are deluding themselves, and/or misleading others.
 
smallStops said:
For believers, it is normal, as there are some concepts about "evil spirits" embedded into religions.
This test is for atheists : when it matters, they become "superstitious". When it matters most ( death beds),
they basically all ask for some religious people to confess and so on.

Atheists are deluding themselves, and/or misleading others.
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a believer doesn't have to worry that some day we may discover that God doesn't exist. But an atheist must deny from the git-go that there is no God. If you define God as that which we don't yet understand, I would say His Life expectency is pretty high. The believers have moved on. The atheists are still stuck in the past. (probably something to do with getting burnt by the Catholic Church)

otherwise, when I see how my life has turned out, it is hard for me to believe that He wasn't patiently watching over me diabolicaly figuring out how to give me everything I ever wanted. Because it would take a whole conspiracy theory of coincidences to have somehow happened just by chance.
 
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your observation about being burned by the Catholic Church seem right: I think from the 1960s, there has been a set of people who were determined to undermine Catholicism, and turn it into some "farces" . Fortunately, some devout one kept the light burnings for the lost sheeps who managed to find these one.
I talk about "farce", as one main reproach to Catholic , is about Catholic pedophile priests. When effectively,
Catholics ( from their own commandements), from their own theology ( demonology) are adamant about
being wary of those who get into this type of path - aka what the Catholic call "the children of Belial", those
who carry in them "spirits of lust, fornication, etc." So they got burned by those who actually went to detroy the
Catholic Church, by infiltrating it and putting in good position their "minions".
 
ETcallhome said:
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otherwise, when I see how my life has turned out, it is hard for me to believe that He wasn't patiently watching over me diabolicaly figuring out how to give me everything I ever wanted. Because it would take a whole conspiracy theory of coincidences to have somehow happened just by chance.
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If there is a diabolical aspect: the you need to wait at least 40 more years to check if the gifts were so good.
Now, do you care to explain more about your life experiences?
 
diabolically because when he was putting me through it I couldn't understand why he was so mad at me, Just like Job, "What the heck did I do?" Then one day He just gave me everything I ever wanted.

What I learned from the book was, never ask God why? Never ask Him why he hates you and never ask him why He loves you. As soon as you ask Him you challenge His power. And then He has to take you down a notch. It's all in the book of Job. Usually considered by most scholars to be the oldest book in the Bible (and as far as I am concerned the only one that ever needed to be written.)
 
Oh: so you had some really tough experiences?
"Then one day He just gave me everything I ever wanted." :

If it comes from God ( that can be sometimes a weird assertion according to religious people) , and not something else: are you happy? 100% fulfilled? with not a hint of regrets? or even a hint of guilt?
 
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smallStops said:
Oh: so you had some really tough experiences?
"Then one day He just gave me everything I ever wanted." :

If it comes from God ( that can be sometimes a weird assertion according to religious people) , and not something else, are you happy? 100% fulfilled? with not a hint of regrets? or even a hint of guilt?
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I'm not special. I'm just like everybody else. I couldn't be where I am now if it wasn't for everything I have been through. It just so happens that it turned out good for me (or at least it is at the moment) and considering how much I fucked up in life, I like to give the credit to God. Works for me.
 
ETcallhome said:
I'm not special. I'm just like everybody else. I couldn't be where I am now if it wasn't for everything I have been through. It just so happens that it turned out good for me (or at least it is at the moment) and considering how much I fucked up in life, I like to give the credit to God. Works for me.
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It seems that I shook something in you.
Basically, you have to know, that when people look deep into their lives:
1 person out of 1000 people can say it comes from God, many times it comes
from something else, and they find out usually many many many years later
- 40 years is a good time frame.
One very simple example: one woman felt she had it all. Fourth kid on the go and so on.
around 40 years later: all the kids were junkies. When finding out the 'truth': she thought she
had it all because all was going good for her. But actually, had she asked herself
the hard questions at the time, she would have discovered that it was not what she
was assuming.
St Ignace retreats, are actually extremely good in assessing what is supposedly from God,
or what is just being set for later "lesson".
Nothing bad with that: this is where religion is important; it gets the truth as it is.
 
smallStops said:
It seems that I shook something in you.
Basically, you have to know, that when people look deep into their lives:
1 person out of 1000 people can say it comes from God, many times it comes
from something else, and they find out usually many many many years later
- 40 years is a good time frame.
One very simple example: one woman felt she had it all. Fourth kid on the go and so on.
around 40 years later: all the kids were junkies. When finding out the 'truth': she thought she
had it all because all was going good for her. But actually, had she asked herself
the hard questions at the time, she would have discovered that it was not what she
was assuming.
St Ignace retreats, are actually extremely good in assessing what is supposedly from God,
or what is just being set for later "lesson".
Nothing bad with that: this is where religion is important; it gets the truth as it is.
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getting back to opie, Should it be taught in school?
 
OddTrader said:
imo, IF God does really want us to know/ understand/ comprehend (assuming our human intelligence is up to the bar) what His tricks about His creation/nothing-triggering-nothing-becoming-something/etc. were, perhaps we then should simply let it be!

Further, we can hardly change the creation process/protocol that was already done in the past. If we can, it could be extremely dangerous! Are we going to try anything, anything in mind yet?

Otherwise, there could be another fcae-book alike project! Spending too much time/energy for Not-Things! While leaving hungry people still hungry, war-zone people still fighting/killing/be-killed!

It doesn't mean to stop all research about the universes! Mainly a priority issue!

Just 2 cents!
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Believing "With nothing-A in anyone's mind/plan first, nothing-B then can trigger/change nothing-C to form the universes, with a nothing-D orderly way, becoming many many something-E randomly-F, however orderly beautiful and orderly intelligent, which is for nothing-G purpose and nothing-H meaningful at all." would be not only quite sad (nothing for joy/happiness), but also even much harder than believing a cosmologically-and-philosophically-never-to-be-fully-understood God!

Besides, I think sometimes, it's only a matter of semantics!

Whether a creation process with an extremely long time span should be still called creation, or better called evolution!
 
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