Current thinking - teach all religions. I say abolish it all

[stu]

Some of us less evolved beings need to be told because it doesn't come naturally.

If it doesn't come naturally, how would it be known if what's being told is good or not.


" I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds"

“And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me"

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Some of us less evolved beings need to be told because it doesn't come naturally.

If it doesn't come naturally, then you're a sociopath. Empathy can be nurtured, but only if you have some to begin with.

 

[ETcallhome]

If it doesn't come naturally, then you're a sociopath. Empathy can be nurtured, but only if you have some to begin with.

where in nature is forgiving your enemies and even loving them evident?

 

[OddTrader]

I would venture to provide my feedback for this topic. imo, there are 3 points.

1. The context and originally implied meaning.

The words may not be original. They had been changed during the process of saying-by-Jesus/ memory-by-others/writers/Greek-translation/theologically-required--modification/etc. A translation through letter by letter may not be the best approach. Just like many English idioms today, a combination of few words can produce a quite remote and different meaning against those words.

Christ-likeness is not found in the original Greek bible, AFAIK. It should be Jesus-likeness in Greek. That means we learn to be like a self-giving humble Jesus, rather than learn to be like an imaginary King-of-Kings Christ.

2. High Certainty

Some words are definitely wrong. e.g. A believer drinking poison would not be killed. I would think only some historical marketers of religions could invent this kind of words in order to attract/convince more believers.

Any publication printing this kind of statements should be banned, at least from children.

3. Criteria for authenticity

There was a voting system organised to survey/evaluate the words from Jesus. This link below provides a lot of interesting information.

Believable or not? Controversial or not? You decide!

Another 2 cents here!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Seminar

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The first findings of the Jesus Seminar were published in 1993 as The Five Gospels: The Search for the Authentic Words of Jesus.[4]

The Fellows used a voting system to evaluate the authenticity of about 500 statements and events. For certain high-profile passages the votes were embodied in beads, the color of which represented the degree of confidence that a saying or act was or was not authentic:

Red beads – indicated the voter believed Jesus did say the passage quoted, or something very much like the passage. (3 Points)
Pink beads – indicated the voter believed Jesus probably said something like the passage. (2 Points)
Grey beads – indicated the voter believed Jesus did not say the passage, but it contains Jesus' ideas. (1 Point)
Black beads – indicated the voter believed Jesus did not say the passage—it comes from later admirers or a different tradition. (0 Points)

A confidence value was determined from the voting using a weighted average of the points given for each bead; the text was color-coded from red to black (with the same significance as the bead colors) according to the outcome of the voting.[25]

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UQ

http://www.westarinstitute.org/proj...r-the-jesus-seminar-phase-1-sayings-of-jesus/

If it doesn't come naturally, how would it be known if what's being told is good or not.


" I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds"

“And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me"

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

 

[stu]

where in nature is forgiving your enemies and even loving them evident?

http://www.livescience.com/40145-from-animals-we-can-learn-generosity-and-forgiveness.html

 

[ETcallhome]

http://www.livescience.com/40145-from-animals-we-can-learn-generosity-and-forgiveness.html

I'm not talking about animals whose wild natural nature has been destroyed due to bad luck or interaction with man.

Typical democrat, just like Karl Marx, you start your ideology after everything has been fucked up. You never understand how things got good before they got fucked up.

Yes, you know how to handle damaged animals, but you don't know how to keep animals free. That's not even in your book. Nobody in your crowd has ever fought to keep people free. You need oppression to get your lazy liberal communist ass off the couch. And that is why everywhere a democrat goes, oppression follows.

 

[OddTrader]

http://www.livescience.com/40145-from-animals-we-can-learn-generosity-and-forgiveness.html

I agree, I think you're right.

I think for 2,000 years, our focus about Jesus has been misplaced! His teachings should be a secondary issue, I think, as many philosophical and religious teachings were found before his time, whether from the east/India/China or west/Ancient Greece.

My guess is the main focus about Jesus should be demolishing of religion conventions! There is only one God for everyone on earth, with equality and God's gift for every individuals.

That's why he claims confidently his gospel will one day reach all corners!!! Ask his followers to preach this liberty gospel. His universal salvation to every soul and all souls means nobody will be a slave of any religion conventions anymore.

Very often religion offers a power for the parents to control and dictate their children's life/future/marriage. Working as cheap labour for farming/transportation/wars/servants, completely losing their equality rights and individual talent/gift.

A child can be even sold by the parents as commodity/slave. Sin is a good excuse for negative punishments. No understanding of systemic source of problems, such as medicines/gents/poverty/education/etc.

Jesus after spending time in major religions/cultures can foresee one day all religions will be gradually diminished, due to the loss of rationality and lack of scientific improvements.

Particularly with the help of his theory - Gospel of liberty! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty

2 more cents!

 

[ETcallhome]

I agree, I think you're right.

I think for 2,000 years, our focus about Jesus has been misplaced! His teachings should be a secondary issue, I think, as many philosophical and religious teachings were found before his time, whether from the east/India/China or west/Ancient Greece.

My guess is the main focus about Jesus should be demolishing of religion conventions! There is only one God for everyone on earth, with equality and God's gift for every individuals.

That's why he claims confidently his gospel will one day reach all corners!!! Ask his followers to preach this liberty gospel. His universal salvation to every soul and all souls means nobody will be a slave of any religion conventions anymore.

Very often religion offers a power for the parents to control and dictate their children's life/future/marriage. Working as cheap labour for farming/transportation/wars, completely losing their equality rights and individual talent/gift.

A child can be even sold by the parents as commodity/slave. Sin is a good excuse for negative punishments. No understanding of systemic source of problems, such as medicines/gents/poverty/etc.

Jesus after spending time in major religions/cultures can foresee one day all religions will be gradually diminished, due to the loss of rationality and lack of scientific improvements.

Particularly with the help of his theory - Gospel of liberty! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty

Preach it brother. Talk about ISIS perverting Islam, that's nothing compared to what the Catholic Church did to Christianity.

We were just some disgruntled jews who were tired of it all, and He came along and said, "Aw, screw the government. Give them what they want. They only control a small part of who you really are."

and to this day, 2,000 years later, that is the conservative manifesto. "Only let them control a small part of what you really are."

and the more extreme the government gets the larger the part of us they can't control becomes

 

[OddTrader]

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December 23, 2015 3:54 PM
Do Christians, Muslims worship the same God?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article51329875.html

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What Francis probably believes when he says that Christians and Muslims worship the same God is that the conceptions of God in both faiths have enough in common to refer to the same being. That makes plenty of sense, because Christians and Muslims (and Jews, too) tend to believe in a single creator who is all- powerful and all-knowing.

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UQ

 

[ETcallhome]

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December 23, 2015 3:54 PM
Do Christians, Muslims worship the same God?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article51329875.html

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What Francis probably believes when he says that Christians and Muslims worship the same God is that the conceptions of God in both faiths have enough in common to refer to the same being. That makes plenty of sense, because Christians and Muslims (and Jews, too) tend to believe in a single creator who is all- powerful and all-knowing.

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UQ

now all we have to do is get the science deniers on board and convince them when we talk about God we are talking about pure energy