Cuba and the United States
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Ha ha,
And actually according to several of your bullshit posts, nearly everyone in a prison in the US is actually not guilty, but nice try anyway with the insult.
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Nick Larson Jr: ânearly everyone in a prison in the US is actually not guiltyâ
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August 8, 2006
SouthAmerica: If I understood what you are trying to say on the above quote â It seems to me that you are saying that most people in prison in the United States are not guilty.
I have seen over the years many reports and articles about the US prison system, but they usually claim that over 20 percent of people in prison in the United States are not guilty and should not be there â a number that is very large when you consider that the US is incarcerating over 2.1 million people â as many studies estimates if 20 percent of people in prison are not guilty and should not be there then you are talking about over 400,000 people.
To put this information in some perspective, these 400,000 people that the US is incarcerating that should not be in prison at all, it is a larger number of people than the number of people in prison in Brazil. The total number of people in prison in Brazil including the entire prison and jail system in Brazil - Brazil is incarcerating less than 250,000 people today.
The United States incarcerates 8.5 people for each person incarcerated in Brazil. And the higher incarceration rate in the US canât be explained by the difference in population.
The US has a population of 300 million people and the US is incarcerating 2.1 million people.
In contrast, Brazil has a population of 190 million people and Brazil is incarcerating less than 250,000 people.
Regarding Cuba, the subject of this thread I wonder how many people Fidel Castro is holding on the Cuban prison system today. He sent the worse criminals to the United States in the 1980âs and that helped him solve part of any crime problem he had in Cuba. I understand Cuba is a very safe place and they donât have much of a crime problem today.
I wonder how much crime the Cubans have done in the United States since that inflow of Cuban refugees in the 1980âs â how many of them ended up on the US prison system and how much money they have been costing to the US tax payers during all these years? - and all the crime that they have committed in the US and the cost of incarcerating a large number of them in US prisons - all of that happened with the compliments of Fidel Castro.
From a Castro point of view he got ride off a major problem in Cuba and one that costs a ton of money to tax payers and he sent his problem and costs to the United States â Florida and New York.
That was a very smart move by Castro â when you can dump thousands of hard core criminals into another country.
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By the way Nick, on your prison cell are you the boyfriend or the girlfriend?
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Nick Larson Jr: ânearly everyone in a prison in the US is actually not guiltyâ
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August 8, 2006
SouthAmerica: If I understood what you are trying to say on the above quote â It seems to me that you are saying that most people in prison in the United States are not guilty.
I have seen over the years many reports and articles about the US prison system, but they usually claim that over 20 percent of people in prison in the United States are not guilty and should not be there â a number that is very large when you consider that the US is incarcerating over 2.1 million people â as many studies estimates if 20 percent of people in prison are not guilty and should not be there then you are talking about over 400,000 people.
To put this information in some perspective, these 400,000 people that the US is incarcerating that should not be in prison at all, it is a larger number of people than the number of people in prison in Brazil. The total number of people in prison in Brazil including the entire prison and jail system in Brazil - Brazil is incarcerating less than 250,000 people today.
The United States incarcerates 8.5 people for each person incarcerated in Brazil. And the higher incarceration rate in the US canât be explained by the difference in population.
The US has a population of 300 million people and the US is incarcerating 2.1 million people.
In contrast, Brazil has a population of 190 million people and Brazil is incarcerating less than 250,000 people.
Regarding Cuba, the subject of this thread I wonder how many people Fidel Castro is holding on the Cuban prison system today. He sent the worse criminals to the United States in the 1980âs and that helped him solve part of any crime problem he had in Cuba. I understand Cuba is a very safe place and they donât have much of a crime problem today.
I wonder how much crime the Cubans have done in the United States since that inflow of Cuban refugees in the 1980âs â how many of them ended up on the US prison system and how much money they have been costing to the US tax payers during all these years? - and all the crime that they have committed in the US and the cost of incarcerating a large number of them in US prisons - all of that happened with the compliments of Fidel Castro.
From a Castro point of view he got ride off a major problem in Cuba and one that costs a ton of money to tax payers and he sent his problem and costs to the United States â Florida and New York.
That was a very smart move by Castro â when you can dump thousands of hard core criminals into another country.
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By the way Nick, on your prison cell are you the boyfriend or the girlfriend?
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El Cubano: I can assure you with the upmost confidence that my people would welcome democracy in any shape size or form.
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August 8, 2006
SouthAmerica: Be patient and you will get there.
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El Cubano: I can assure you with the upmost confidence that my people would welcome democracy in any shape size or form.
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August 8, 2006
SouthAmerica: Be patient and you will get there.
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That is funny that you would bring up the justice system of brazil, and try to compare it, even use it in the same sentence, as the US justice system. This in light of the Sao Paulo violence in May 2006, where Brazil demonstrated to the world that criminals actually run the Brazilian prisons, the streets of the large cities, and probably the whole damn nation.
And Ricardo as far as your question about my "prison cell", if I wanted a joke, I'd follow you into the men's room . . . ha ha fucking ha ha . . .
Have a nice day in America chump
hahahaha..thats funny..be patient.. its been a long time a coming homeboy.
and yes one of Castro's genius moves was to open the floodgates of hell. Them Marielitos the bad ones are a ruthless group; but the majority of us have worked side by side with our new family and built something for ourselves...thats why i may never go back...even though i have been offered many a time to buy colonial style homes for 10k at a clip with no deed of course..
Once the Castro charisma and considerable charm is gone with him, things will begin to fall apart inside the government. There is no one else there that can talk for six hours and keep the people spell bound. Seeing that, Cuban biggies in South Florida (and the CIA) will move in with all kinds of money deals to entice government officials and the generals to make a move to the right. They might even offer Raul a few million to take asylum in Mexico, or lose his life. They can have a drug addict with a criminal record take him down. Cuban government officials will swing to the right for a condo in Palm Beach and a "consultancy" pay check. Cuba will go right back to the rich families that once ruled it - but this time the working class will have a better deal.
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November 13, 2006
SouthAmerica: Last Friday: "Delegates in the General Assembly chamber burst into applause when the vote flashed on the screen â 183 in favor to 4 opposed, with 1 abstention. Joining the United States in voting "no" were Israel and the South Pacific nations of the Marshall Islands and Palau. Micronesia, also in the South Pacific, abstained."
This is the best the United States can do today at the United Nations when they need allies â not even the usual suspects Australia, and the UK voted with the United States on this one.
By the way, talking about being completely out of step with the rest of the world - Here is a list of allies that the United States were able to find at the United Nations regarding the Cuba vote:
1) Israel - (Population: 6,352,117 people) (July 2006 est.)
Note: includes about 187,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank, about 20,000 in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, and fewer than 177,000 in East Jerusalem.
2) Marshall Islands â (Population: 60,422 people) (July 2006 est.)
After almost four decades under US administration as the easternmost part of the UN Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, the Marshall Islands attained independence in 1986 under a Compact of Free Association. Compensation claims continue as a result of US nuclear testing on some of the atolls between 1947 and 1962. The Marshall Islands hosts the US Army Kwajalein Atoll (USAKA) Reagan Missile Test Site, a key installation in the US missile defense network.
3) Palau â (Population: 20,579 people) (July 2006 est.)
After three decades as part of the UN Trust Territory of the Pacific under US administration, this westernmost cluster of the Caroline Islands opted for independence in 1978 rather than join the Federated States of Micronesia. A Compact of Free Association with the US was approved in 1986, but not ratified until 1993. It entered into force the following year, when the islands gained independence.
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âUN Urges U.S. to End 45-Year Cuba Embargoâ
By Edith M. Lederer
The Associated Press
November 10, 2006
NEW YORK â The U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to urge the United States to end its 45-year-old trade embargo against Cuba after defeating an amendment calling on Fidel Castro's government to free political prisoners and respect human rights. It was the 15th straight year that the 192-member world body approved a resolution calling for the U.S. economic and commercial embargo against Cuba to be repealed "as soon as possible."
Cuba's Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roque told the assembly "the economic war unleashed by the U.S. against Cuba, the longest and most ruthless ever known, qualifies as an act of genocide and constitutes a flagrant violation of international law and the charter of the United Nations."
Delegates in the General Assembly chamber burst into applause when the vote flashed on the screen â 183 in favor to 4 opposed, with 1 abstention.
Joining the United States in voting "no" were Israel and the South Pacific nations of the Marshall Islands and Palau. Micronesia, also in the South Pacific, abstained.
In Cuba, state-run television showed Foreign Ministry officials in Havana cheering when the result was announced.
"This confirms once again by the U.N. itself that the embargo is totally illegal and wrong and needs to be suspended," said Hipolito Rodriguez, a customs worker.
The General Assembly voted on the resolution soon after defeating an amendment by Australia stating that the U.S. laws and measures "were motivated by valid concerns about the continued lack of democracy and political freedom in Cuba."
It also would have called on Cuba to release all political prisoners, cooperate with international human rights bodies, respect the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and comply with all human rights treaties to which it is a signatory.
The sanctions, aimed at toppling Castro's socialist system, were imposed after Castro repelled the CIA-backed assault at the Bay of Pigs in 1961. The embargo has been steadily tightened under President Bush.
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November 13, 2006
SouthAmerica: Last Friday: "Delegates in the General Assembly chamber burst into applause when the vote flashed on the screen â 183 in favor to 4 opposed, with 1 abstention. Joining the United States in voting "no" were Israel and the South Pacific nations of the Marshall Islands and Palau. Micronesia, also in the South Pacific, abstained."
This is the best the United States can do today at the United Nations when they need allies â not even the usual suspects Australia, and the UK voted with the United States on this one.
By the way, talking about being completely out of step with the rest of the world - Here is a list of allies that the United States were able to find at the United Nations regarding the Cuba vote:
1) Israel - (Population: 6,352,117 people) (July 2006 est.)
Note: includes about 187,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank, about 20,000 in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, and fewer than 177,000 in East Jerusalem.
2) Marshall Islands â (Population: 60,422 people) (July 2006 est.)
After almost four decades under US administration as the easternmost part of the UN Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, the Marshall Islands attained independence in 1986 under a Compact of Free Association. Compensation claims continue as a result of US nuclear testing on some of the atolls between 1947 and 1962. The Marshall Islands hosts the US Army Kwajalein Atoll (USAKA) Reagan Missile Test Site, a key installation in the US missile defense network.
3) Palau â (Population: 20,579 people) (July 2006 est.)
After three decades as part of the UN Trust Territory of the Pacific under US administration, this westernmost cluster of the Caroline Islands opted for independence in 1978 rather than join the Federated States of Micronesia. A Compact of Free Association with the US was approved in 1986, but not ratified until 1993. It entered into force the following year, when the islands gained independence.
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âUN Urges U.S. to End 45-Year Cuba Embargoâ
By Edith M. Lederer
The Associated Press
November 10, 2006
NEW YORK â The U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to urge the United States to end its 45-year-old trade embargo against Cuba after defeating an amendment calling on Fidel Castro's government to free political prisoners and respect human rights. It was the 15th straight year that the 192-member world body approved a resolution calling for the U.S. economic and commercial embargo against Cuba to be repealed "as soon as possible."
Cuba's Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roque told the assembly "the economic war unleashed by the U.S. against Cuba, the longest and most ruthless ever known, qualifies as an act of genocide and constitutes a flagrant violation of international law and the charter of the United Nations."
Delegates in the General Assembly chamber burst into applause when the vote flashed on the screen â 183 in favor to 4 opposed, with 1 abstention.
Joining the United States in voting "no" were Israel and the South Pacific nations of the Marshall Islands and Palau. Micronesia, also in the South Pacific, abstained.
In Cuba, state-run television showed Foreign Ministry officials in Havana cheering when the result was announced.
"This confirms once again by the U.N. itself that the embargo is totally illegal and wrong and needs to be suspended," said Hipolito Rodriguez, a customs worker.
The General Assembly voted on the resolution soon after defeating an amendment by Australia stating that the U.S. laws and measures "were motivated by valid concerns about the continued lack of democracy and political freedom in Cuba."
It also would have called on Cuba to release all political prisoners, cooperate with international human rights bodies, respect the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and comply with all human rights treaties to which it is a signatory.
The sanctions, aimed at toppling Castro's socialist system, were imposed after Castro repelled the CIA-backed assault at the Bay of Pigs in 1961. The embargo has been steadily tightened under President Bush.
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SouthAmerica: I had to check on the map where - this major United States global ally at the United Nations - it was located.
Palau:
Their population includes 14,000 people over 14 years old.
Location: Oceania, group of islands in the North Pacific Ocean, southeast of the Philippines
Comparative size: slightly more than 2.5 times the size of Washington, DC
With the support of powerful allies like that at your side you can conquer the world!!!!!!!!
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SouthAmerica: I had to check on the map where - this major United States global ally at the United Nations - it was located.
Palau:
Their population includes 14,000 people over 14 years old.
Location: Oceania, group of islands in the North Pacific Ocean, southeast of the Philippines
Comparative size: slightly more than 2.5 times the size of Washington, DC
With the support of powerful allies like that at your side you can conquer the world!!!!!!!!
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