Cryptos are BULLSHIT... based upon nothing more than hope, greed, and stupidity

Crypto is an alternative payment to debit card. It's cheaper, possibly faster, and in some cases anonymous.

Losing values of cryptos is irrelevant in most cases, of course unless if you are speculating. Most of the time, the user will convert the fiat equivalent crypto (USDT) to ETN only during the payment. Therefore, the value of their cryptos will always be equivalent to the fiat value.

Whoa! Full of holes.

1. Even if crypto is an alternative to debit card, it cannot be "usefully faster". Debit card transactions take a couple of seconds. I doubt crypto shaves any off of that. And even if it does, it's not a material benefit.

2. Cheaper? Even if so, doesn't offset the risk that the crypto loses value.. and maybe crashes and loses LOTS of value. A "debit card user" is carrying around dollars on plastic. No chance the purchasing power of that card is going to decline materially in a short period of time or even crash. Not so with cryptos.

3. Anonymous? Does anybody really care about Big Brother knowing you bought a $5 latte?

4. "...the value of their cryptos will always be equivalent to the fiat value..."??
 
I like how you ignore the real technical question I put in front of you as proposed by Baron and instead you turn to answering my rhetorical question. But hey if that helps you get on your soapbox.

Guess traffic on ET must be down.

Which technical question was that? Please state specifically.
 
Whoa! Full of holes.

1. Even if crypto is an alternative to debit card, it cannot be "usefully faster". Debit card transactions take a couple of seconds. I doubt crypto shaves any off of that. And even if it does, it's not a material benefit.

2. Cheaper? Even if so, doesn't offset the risk that the crypto loses value.. and maybe crashes and loses LOTS of value. A "debit card user" is carrying around dollars on plastic. No chance the purchasing power of that card is going to decline materially in a short period of time or even crash. Not so with cryptos.

3. Anonymous? Does anybody really care about Big Brother knowing you bought a $5 latte?

4. "...the value of their cryptos will always be equivalent to the fiat value..."??

1. Some cryptos are slower than debit cards, but not significantly.

3. It depends. But it is definitely an advantage to have an option to be anonymous.

2&4. I think you do not understand these well. In crypto we have for example the USDT, the equivalent of USD (fiat). The user's crypto value will be stored in USDT, therefore, it's value will not drop nor appreciate according to BTC or other crypto prices. The USDT will appreciate or depreciate according to USD (fiat). A user will convert to other crypto's only when he needs to purchase something. So, the value is preserved, unless he speculates/gambles when he buys BTC, ETN, etc.
 
So..you're talking about "tethered" cryptos?

Is BTC that?

What percentage of cryptos are tethered?

Haven't there been some well publicized problem stories about "tethered"?

Even if you have a "tethered" crypto, isn't that effectively the same as a debit card?

And is the "real value issue" of cryptos, the tethered variety or the speculative variety? If the "world of crypto" were limited to tethereds, they would all be little different from debit cards. Is that what all the hubub is all about?
 
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@Scataphagos You said: Quoting you so you can't backtrack and edit your post.
Disagree. The "limited supply" could be increased exponentially any time somebody (the right person) wants. "Limited supply" or not, they're still backed by nothing.

I said:
@Scataphagos Please explain who is the 1 person/entity who can control 51% of the hashing power that has the ability to hard fork and increase the supply.

Also, be sure to break down the cost of doing so in current USD terms re: equipment, electricity and etc.


None of us will be holding our breath.
Breakdown the above for BTC.

So I'm going to give you an out. You can stop right now or dig deeper.
 
@Scataphagos You said: Quoting you so you can't backtrack and edit your post.


I said:

Breakdown the above for BTC.

So I'm going to give you an out. You can stop right now or dig deeper.

Breakdown "your ass". You argue insignificantly!


As to the "one person who can increase BTC in circulation".... well there may not be such a person, I don't know. However, there have been a few "forks" of BTC... all of which dilute the value of BTC. And while not technically increasing the # of BTC in circulation, they have the same effect.

And is there a limit to the number of "forks" in BTC, or are they possibly INFINITE??
 
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That is an interesting thought, but works only in a staid objective value system. The land of androids. In our lives, we live by the subjective value system, where our value is proportionately tied to our desires...
"Whattttt!?!?!" :confused::banghead:o_O Errrrr, no. What you're contesting, OVn, is Price Theory. You're arguing against 150 years of neoclassical economics, the Chicago School in particular, and Stigler, Friedman, Becker, right to Freakonomics authors Levitt & Dubner. It won't go well.

Your car example...? Are you trying to imply that, in a free market, any rational actor would ever pay more for something than they thought it was worth? :confused::banghead::rolleyes: You no longer have a consistent system of logic through-out your model, as you broke it at the beginning: the rational actor. Consumer sovereignty -- the grand filter which places the buyer in control of what stays/survives in the marketplace -- itself depends on that rational actor.

If you really WANT that red stone and it is the only one available for $20K, then you will have to fork up the $20K to have it. It doesn't matter what you think it is worth...You will pay what the market price bears. Thankfully we live in a system that embraces competition.
You are forgetting that the market price comes from transactions between willing buyers and willing sellers. "What the market bears" depends on both sides. If the gem-holder thinks it is worth $20k and I think it is worth $200 -- there is *nothing* that compels me to pay even $200.01 for it. Zero. Thus, no market. Thus, no market price. "Competition" has nothing to do with this buyer/seller rivalry, BTW. "Competition" is between rival buyers and between rival sellers, each seeking to step in front of the other in the bids and offers in which they compete. FWIW and all that.

What Baron was pointing out was just the basic supply/demand thing. What Scat was griping about was the crypto bullshit. Both are correct.
No. Baron's primary thesis was/is that limited supply is the shit. And ignores that rhino turds {actual shit! :D}, which are in scarce supply seemingly everywhere except in Google Images :confused: , are simply sans market -- they are lacking. No demand -- no rational actor wants them at a price worthwhile to supply: Consumer Sovereignty 'reigns' again.

Anyways, of course all the rest are just speculative garbage, backed by truly no value...Only by what value the people who buy and sell them are willing to pay each other for exchanging them.

Like the Pet Rock, and bottled Manhattan air. And these days, we have Gwenyth Paltrow selling https://shop.goop.com/shop/products/mini-cuff-sado-chic-chain-mini-o-r-mini?taxon_id=1489
Exactly. We can bring all sorts of things to market. But what stays (in a free&fair market) depends on what is bought -- and that depends on a rational actor: Consumer Sovereignty. And if you want to argue with someone buying $100 pebbles to stuff up their naughty bits? We're back to "De Gustibus Non Est Disputandem."

And just to return back to Price Theory itself, we don't *need* to know (or make sense of) why someone would buy something -- when or how they might use it, whether they might give it away, whether it's a part in some greater whole, or whatever! We don't need to know. We only need to know that they thought it was worth the price they paid.
(( :) And so, one last Chicago School giant, one last Nobel Prize winner, one last url, for Friedrich von Hayek:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Hayek ))
 
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Breakdown "your ass". You argue insignificantly!
LOLLOLOLOLOL this is best you got? Another joke on ET exposed. Take your meds Gramps.
As to the "one person who can increase BTC in circulation".... well there may not be such a person, I don't know. However, there have been a few "forks" of BTC... all of which dilute the value of BTC. And while not technically increasing the # of BTC in circulation, they have the same effect.
Excuse you? Dilute? This isn't equities. When a hard fork happens you literally get free money. There's no dilution to the underlying asset. You are in way over your head. Stick to the ET threads where the IQ is < then 90.
 
LOLLOLOLOLOL this is best you got? Another joke on ET exposed. Take your meds Gramps.

Excuse you? Dilute? This isn't equities. When a hard fork happens you literally get free money. There's no dilution to the underlying asset. You are in way over your head. Stick to the ET threads where the IQ is < then 90.

You don't understand your own argument. You're not analytical or inciteful... you're just a "believer". You argue like a fool. Enough of you. ON IGNORE!!

I'm familiar with your kind. We have 150 Million or so just like you in the US. They're known as "Democrats".
 
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You don't understand your own argument. You argue like a fool. Enough of you. ON IGNORE!!
Dear ET, this is ad hominem at its best.

Please take note of subject @Scataphagos who is easily beaten by logic not exceeding a 6th grader.

I'll note too that Scataphagos is retroactively editing her posts of anything you could expose her IQ of <90. You can see the timestamps in this thread.

@Baron I know you have banned people for less, not sure why you would just let this continue. I'm done here. I'm out.
 
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