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EliteIB said:
Well arrogance is in the eyes of the beholder. To me, the survival of Israel is due to their resilience, intelligence, diligence, vigilance and their relentless hard work. Why is that considered arrogance? Humiliation? What humiliation? Oh you mean Israel has the gall to have a stronger economy and technologically advanced than the Palestinians?? How dare Israel? Israel should be begging on their hands and knees for money always and be poor and dressed in rags with the Arab countries always lording over them and slaving them. Then there is no humiliation of the Muslim people right? LOL



But I do agree that there should be a permanent solution to this problem. We cannot have just a few years of peace and then one bomb, one rocket, and all those years of peace go out of the door and it's back to war again. People in both Israel and Palestine are tired of this and the whole world is tired of it really. Nobody can build anything. Nobody can live. Whatever gets built is all destroyed.

No we need a permanent solution where everything gets resolved once and for all. If Israel believes Gaza or the West Bank or whatever is theirs, then go in and conquer them and take them and that's it no more. Whoever wants to continue to live in Gaza and West Bank can continue to live there and be given Israeli citizenship. If not, then they go live on Palestinian territories. But this is it. This is the permanent sovereign territory of Israel and outside of it is all Palestine. I have talked to some of my friends who are Arabic and this is their main grievance about Israel that they just continue to expand and expand and expand into Palestinian territories. That I agree is unacceptable. You cannot have a country that's like a dynamic array that can just keep on expanding and expanding and expanding infinitely. Israel should be permanently confined to the current Israeli territory + Gaza + West Bank and then that's it. And if Israel wants to take over Gaza and West Bank, then it should just move in and conquer them and put an Israeli flag there and that's it instead of just doing this massive bombing in those territories that just ends up killing civilians.

But the problem is this is not up to Israel or Palestine or Hamas or whatever. The Israel-Palestine conflict is a manifestation of bigger wars between ultimately the two superpowers, US and Russia. Hamas is just being a foot soldier doing the bidding of I am sure Russia with Iran's help so Russia can use this opportunity to exhaust US' resources. Organizations like Hamas are just too obsessed with their own narrow-minded nationalism or whatever pride and fail to see the bigger picture and choose to let themselves be used because they have nothing to lose. So if we want a permanent solution, it has to come from the top, US and Russia.
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I don't disagree with you. I just point out that Israel would not be in such a dominant position without the support of the US. That military, financial and diplomatic support is what is giving Israel their uncompromising stance, particularly towards Palestinians, something that the same UN who recognized Israel also chides Israel for their treatment of Palestinians. Hamas and the other terrorists groups exist and fill their ranks because of that resentment.

If you cannot recognize the humiliation suffered by the Palestinian people then you contribute to their resentment and neverending cycle of terror.
As one totally removed from this centuries old conflict but supporter of Israel's right to exist and live peacefully with its neighbors, I think Israel needs to make bold decisions that their right wing electorate would consider heresy. Yet, the solution could also be to further affirm its rights by dismantling all the armed groups within its reach. The atrocities committed by Hamas is the beginning of a new era for Israel's relations with the rest of the middle East and Egypt. Nothing will be like before.
 
VicBee said:
The atrocities committed by Hamas is the beginning of a new era for Israel's relations with the rest of the middle East and Egypt. Nothing will be like before
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The atrocities committed by Israel is the beginning of a negative era for Israel's relations with the rest of the middle East. Nothing will be like before
 
VicBee said:
I don't disagree with you. I just point out that Israel would not be in such a dominant position without the support of the US. That military, financial and diplomatic support is what is giving Israel their uncompromising stance, particularly towards Palestinians, something that the same UN who recognized Israel also chides Israel for their treatment of Palestinians. Hamas and the other terrorists groups exist and fill their ranks because of that resentment.

If you cannot recognize the humiliation suffered by the Palestinian people then you contribute to their resentment and neverending cycle of terror.
As one totally removed from this centuries old conflict but supporter of Israel's right to exist and live peacefully with its neighbors, I think Israel needs to make bold decisions that their right wing electorate would consider heresy. Yet, the solution could also be to further affirm its rights by dismantling all the armed groups within its reach. The atrocities committed by Hamas is the beginning of a new era for Israel's relations with the rest of the middle East and Egypt. Nothing will be like before.
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I think both sides should come together and move towards the middle. Palestine and all of the Arab countries should recognize and accept that Israel IS AN INDEPENDENT SOVEREIGN COUNTRY and is here to stay and stay until the end of this earth. And Israel needs to stop expanding. According to Wikipedia, this is what constitutes Israel:

"Israel (/ˈɪzri.əl,-reɪ-/; Hebrew: יִשְׂרָאֵלYīsrāʾēl[jisʁaˈʔel]; Arabic: إِسْرَائِيلʾIsrāʾīl), officially the State of Israel (מְדִינַת יִשְׂרָאֵלMedīnat Yīsrāʾēl[mediˈnatjisʁaˈʔel]; دَوْلَة إِسْرَائِيلDawlat Isrāʾīl), is a country in West Asia. It is bordered by Lebanon to the north, by Syria to the northeast, by Jordan to the east, by the Red Sea to the south, by Egypt to the southwest, by the Mediterranean Sea to the west, and by the Palestinian territories – the West Bank along the east and the Gaza Strip along the southwest."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

So from this description, both the West Bank and the Gaza strip do NOT belong to Israel as they are Palestinian territories. Israel has occupied them militarily since the 1967 Six-Day war but they are NOT recognized Israeli territories, not by international communities including the United States.

So the solution is simple: Israel needs to confine its own a$$ within just its defined borders: Lebanon to the north, Syria to the northeast, Jordan to the east, the Red Sea to the south, Egypt to the southwest, the Mediterranean Sea to the west, the Palestinian territories – the West Bank along the east and the Gaza Strip along the southwest. They need to get the hell out of the West Bank and The Gaza Strip. Just because you militarily occupy them doesn't make them yours. And at the same time, Palestine needs to get rid of the terrorist group Hamas. What they did is nothing short of terrorism and nothing justifies what they did. I mean I can understand a little bit of where they are coming from but what they did is still wrong and cannot be condoned. Both sides need to confine their own a$$ within their own borders and stop bothering each other.

And the rest of the world needs to chill and stop egging them on and stop using them to fight their own wars. Both the Israeli and Palestinian people deserve to have peace. As to the rest of whatever arrogance or humiliation, that's all bullshit, unnecessary emotions that get people into trouble. There is no arrogance or humiliation. This is a land dispute, pure and simple. So you give back the land that's not yours and you recognize the land that is others and everybody goes on their own business.

There!
 
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EliteIB said:
I think both sides should come together and move towards the middle. Palestine and all of the Arab countries should recognize and accept that Israel IS AN INDEPENDENT SOVEREIGN COUNTRY and is here to stay and stay until the end of this earth. And Israel needs to stop expanding. According to Wikipedia, this is what constitutes Israel:

"Israel (/ˈɪzri.əl,-reɪ-/; Hebrew: יִשְׂרָאֵלYīsrāʾēl[jisʁaˈʔel]; Arabic: إِسْرَائِيلʾIsrāʾīl), officially the State of Israel (מְדִינַת יִשְׂרָאֵלMedīnat Yīsrāʾēl[mediˈnatjisʁaˈʔel]; دَوْلَة إِسْرَائِيلDawlat Isrāʾīl), is a country in West Asia. It is bordered by Lebanon to the north, by Syria to the northeast, by Jordan to the east, by the Red Sea to the south, by Egypt to the southwest, by the Mediterranean Sea to the west, and by the Palestinian territories – the West Bank along the east and the Gaza Strip along the southwest."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

So from this description, both the West Bank and the Gaza strip do NOT belong to Israel as they are Palestinian territories. Israel has occupied them militarily since the 1967 Six-Day war but they are NOT recognized Israeli territories, not by international communities including the United States.

So the solution is simple: Israel needs to confine its own a$$ within just its defined borders: Lebanon to the north, Syria to the northeast, Jordan to the east, the Red Sea to the south, Egypt to the southwest, the Mediterranean Sea to the west, the Palestinian territories – the West Bank along the east and the Gaza Strip along the southwest. They need to get the hell out of the West Bank and The Gaza Strip. Just because you militarily occupy them doesn't make them yours. And at the same time, Palestine needs to get rid of the terrorist group Hamas. What they did is nothing short of terrorism and nothing justifies what they did. I mean I can understand a little bit of where they are coming from but what they did is still wrong and cannot be condoned. Both sides need to confine their own a$$ within their own borders and stop bothering each other.

And the rest of the world needs to chill and stop egging them on and stop using them to fight their own wars. Both the Israeli and Palestinian people deserve to have peace. As to the rest of whatever arrogance or humiliation, that's all bullshit, unnecessary emotions that get people into trouble. There is no arrogance and humiliation. This is a land dispute, pure and simple. So you give back the land that's not yours and you recognize the land that is others.

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Getting closer mate.:thumbsup:
 
EliteIB said:
Now you can nominate me to the White House to resolve this land dispute. LOL
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Hahaha.Will do!:D

You're very well written,keep putting your thoughts forward as you continue to formulate your opinions.

No one has the all the answers and its all about provoking/promoting thought and discussion.:thumbsup:
 
EliteIB said:
I think both sides should come together and move towards the middle. Palestine and all of the Arab countries should recognize and accept that Israel IS AN INDEPENDENT SOVEREIGN COUNTRY and is here to stay and stay until the end of this earth. And Israel needs to stop expanding. According to Wikipedia, this is what constitutes Israel:

"Israel (/ˈɪzri.əl,-reɪ-/; Hebrew: יִשְׂרָאֵלYīsrāʾēl[jisʁaˈʔel]; Arabic: إِسْرَائِيلʾIsrāʾīl), officially the State of Israel (מְדִינַת יִשְׂרָאֵלMedīnat Yīsrāʾēl[mediˈnatjisʁaˈʔel]; دَوْلَة إِسْرَائِيلDawlat Isrāʾīl), is a country in West Asia. It is bordered by Lebanon to the north, by Syria to the northeast, by Jordan to the east, by the Red Sea to the south, by Egypt to the southwest, by the Mediterranean Sea to the west, and by the Palestinian territories – the West Bank along the east and the Gaza Strip along the southwest."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

So from this description, both the West Bank and the Gaza strip do NOT belong to Israel as they are Palestinian territories. Israel has occupied them militarily since the 1967 Six-Day war but they are NOT recognized Israeli territories, not by international communities including the United States.

So the solution is simple: Israel needs to confine its own a$$ within just its defined borders: Lebanon to the north, Syria to the northeast, Jordan to the east, the Red Sea to the south, Egypt to the southwest, the Mediterranean Sea to the west, the Palestinian territories – the West Bank along the east and the Gaza Strip along the southwest. They need to get the hell out of the West Bank and The Gaza Strip. Just because you militarily occupy them doesn't make them yours. And at the same time, Palestine needs to get rid of the terrorist group Hamas. What they did is nothing short of terrorism and nothing justifies what they did. I mean I can understand a little bit of where they are coming from but what they did is still wrong and cannot be condoned. Both sides need to confine their own a$$ within their own borders and stop bothering each other.

And the rest of the world needs to chill and stop egging them on and stop using them to fight their own wars. Both the Israeli and Palestinian people deserve to have peace. As to the rest of whatever arrogance or humiliation, that's all bullshit, unnecessary emotions that get people into trouble. There is no arrogance or humiliation. This is a land dispute, pure and simple. So you give back the land that's not yours and you recognize the land that is others and everybody goes on their own business.

There!
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It's all that and more complicated. To date, Israel controls everything going in and out of Gaza, including UN and other assistance funds. That's a basic point of sovereignty which Palestinians don't have (and land encroachment by right wing Israelis). Another serious point of contention is water, not just for Palestinian territories but also Israel.

Personally, I would remove Hamas from Gaza, regardless of casualties to their ranks. Then I would ban weapons in Gaza and finance an election there, with significant financial support for the elected government to develop their infrastructures, school, healthcare, etc. provided that only the police force is allowed to have a side arm.
 
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