Criminalizing Criticism of Israel

Quote from a_person:

Tresor, this is really not rocket-science, just go to the source

1. H.R. 1913, The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 deals with violent crimes "in which the defendant intentionally selects a victim, or in the case of a property crime, the property that is the object of the crime, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual orientation of any person."

I found this act neutral. I found it also sensible.

Quote from a_person:

2. The legislature specifically "(Sec. 8) Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech."[/i]

Indeed, the claim of articles quoted by sameeh55 saying that the freedom of speech would be limited, seem to be paranoic.

Quote from a_person:

3.GLOBAL ANTI-SEMITISM REVIEW ACT OF 2004 merely monitors anti-semitic activity throughout the world.[/i]

Assuming the website quotes the whole text of the act, it is short. I found there nothing that suggest that criticising Israel or Jews is synonimous with being a criminal.

Quote from a_person:

5. Sameeh is an Islamo-Nazi idiot polluting the Internet with Islamo-Nazi, anti-semitic, anti-israel and anti-western lies.[/i]

You made valid / logical and sensible points that convinced me. There is no need to insult / fight people. Please fight views that you disagree, not people. Offensive words only stir up hatred.


Quote from a_person:
6. People who take sameeh, his posts, links, websites and articles seriously are even bigger idiots than he is.

Again, fight views, discuss facts, present your cast on the issue using logic and facts, just as you did in this post. No need to insult people.
 
You are honestly hopeless. Palestine is not warsaw ghetto for many reasons.

Palestinians became occupied as a result of a DEFENSIVE war that Israel fought for its self preservation. Warsaw became occupied as a result of an offensive war for world domination launched by Germany. And furthermore, neither East Germans nor Japenese launched intifadas and suicide bombers to try to resist occupation. Japanese had kamikazis during WWII but not after. If you try to resist occupation violently, you accept the consequences. The reason gaza is a "ghetto" as you say is because israel wanted to restrict the flow of suicide bombers and bombers into the country. Warsaw jews did not launch suicide attacks on germans to make them "wall them in" germans did it because of crazy ideology.

Despite what people in that region think, it is not israel's objective to exterminate palestinians.

If you looked at palestinians the way a person would look at american indians your life would be simpler. Indians lost their land and it is a historically moot point now whether it was fair or unfair. Concept of "getting over", "facing the music" and "accepting reality" comes into play. This is just the way it is. You don't see mexicans launching suicide bombers over land US annexed through aggressive wars. You also don't see american indians launching suicide bombers out of their reservations.

Fact there was no country named palestine before israel, there was just a mandate to create 2 states

Fact palestinians in the region were far from prosperous or productive and their plight (and plight of arabs in the region in general) is not due to israel or usa. The arab countries in the region are backward due to AN INFERIOR WAY OF LIFE or "flawed national character" as I would say.

I believe that people are elevated over other people not to due to inherent (intellectual) superiority, but due to "superior way of life", "superior values". I believe you can take a newborn or even an infant from any culture and if you raise them properly they would fit right in.

Now when you are dealing with countries that:

a)Are not secular and espouse what a particular bufffoon said 1400 years ago

b)totalitarian or authoritarian regimes, lack of freedom of the press, peaceful assembly, self expression "pursuit of happiness", inadequate justice systems

c)dilapidated infrastructure.

d)Inferior banking systems and laws

e)inferior medical facilities

f)inferior educational systems
etc., etc.

If you notice many if not all arab/muslim countries have at least one of those attributes. And those have NOTHING to do with usa or israel. I correctly identified arab mentality a few threads ago where I said that part of the "psyche" of people in the region is a historical resentment towards western powers for shaping the destiny of that region for their benefit. But the only reason they were able to do so, was because countries they were manipulating were backward to begin with. But as I also said, very few people on the planet are capable of objectively assessing their "national character" I have never found a person from a truly backward thirld world country to say that our country is backward because our values are backward. It was alway some dictator or some bad luck or they avoided the matter altogether.

Quote from sameeh55:
Dream on!

The phrase above should be the answer to palestinian desire for independence.
 
"People are understandably suspicious and skeptical of each and every one of such accusations and/or posters."

It is called paranoia...and it is a mental disorder.

Damaged goods...

Quote from a_person:

You misunderstood me, I was actually describing people like you - Israel-hating Jew-obsessed disgusting antisemitic Internet trolls going from one anonymous internet forum to another and spewing antisemitic lies which started in the Protocols and anti-Israeli propaganda concocted in Tehran and Riyadh.
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

You are honestly hopeless. Palestine is not warsaw ghetto for many reasons.

Palestinians became occupied as a result of a DEFENSIVE war that Israel fought for its self preservation. Warsaw became occupied as a result of an offensive war for world domination launched by Germany. And furthermore, neither East Germans nor Japenese launched intifadas and suicide bombers to try to resist occupation. Japanese had kamikazis during WWII but not after. If you try to resist occupation violently, you accept the consequences. The reason gaza is a "ghetto" as you say is because israel wanted to restrict the flow of suicide bombers and bombers into the country. Warsaw jews did not launch suicide attacks on germans to make them "wall them in" germans did it because of crazy ideology.

There was one Jewish uprising / intifada / powstanie / Aufstand against the Germans in Warsaw Ghetto:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
 
Quote from Tresor:

Please fight views that you disagree, not people.
You have to understand that Sameeh did not just make an honest mistake. He and his ilk wage global PR jihad to demonize and delegitimize Israel and the Jews. They concoct lies, distort facts, spread propaganda, manipulate quotes and events taking them out of context, throw as much dirt as possible and see what sticks, they open tens of thousands websites to publish baseless anti-Israel and anti-semitic lies and then use those websites as if they were legitimate and unbiased sources.

One such lie was just [easily] debunked but they will be spreading 10 more similiarly baseless lies tomorrow. No one has the time to do the research and prove each of their lies, half-truths and distortions wrong. And that's why these people have to be exposed for who they actually are - nazis, anti-semites, islamofascists, fringe west hating uber-liberals. So that people like you when running into their websites, articles and posts knew who you're dealing with and take whatever propaganda they are spewing with a huge grain of salt.
 
Okay Guys,

I was convinced by the evidence provided by a_person that the freedom of speach is not threatened by resolutions of the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. I believe this Act is not harmful for liberties.

Let's close the thread unless someone comes up with valid evidences that prove contrary.

Let's move our disputes to other politics threads :D
 
Quote from Tresor:

There was one Jewish uprising / intifada / powstanie / Aufstand against the Germans in Warsaw Ghetto:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising


This is why I hate internet forums. Out of everything I wrote you take a meaningless(and wrong) snippet to argue.
Apparently someone can't read. I said jews did not launch the uprising to make germans "wall them in". Germans created the ghetto BEFORE there were any uprisings(1940 to be exact and uprising you reference started in 1943). Here sameeh is surprised that israelis want to create walls to separate themselves from suicide bombers, bombers and various douchebags from hamas/hezbollah.

Israel is the only country I know of that has MANDATORY military service for women. This certainly does not come from a good life. Most of israeli prime ministers have been former generals. That is not an accident either.
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

This is why I hate internet forums. Out of everything I wrote you take a meaningless(and wrong) snippet to argue.
Apparently someone can't read. I said jews did not launch the uprising to make germans "wall them in". Germans created the ghetto BEFORE there were any uprisings(1940 to be exact and uprising you reference started in 1943). Here sameeh is surprised that israelis want to create walls to separate themselves from suicide bombers, bombers and various douchebags from hamas/hezbollah.

Israel is the only country I know of that has MANDATORY military service for women. This certainly does not come from a good life. Most of israeli prime ministers have been former generals. That is not an accident either.

Hello IShopAtPublix,

My post about the fact of the Jewish uprising in the ghetto was neither to argue with you nor to support you. Purely for information purposes.

I just recollected the uprising from my history lessons when you mentioned the Warsaw ghetto.

No resemblance / difference between the Jewish uprising in Warsaw and the Palestinian uprising in Gaza was intended to be implied via my post.

Regards
 
Quote from Tresor:

I found this act neutral. I found it also sensible.

Indeed, the claim of articles quoted by sameeh55 saying that the freedom of speech would be limited, seem to be paranoic.


You were taken for a ride Tresor! But then again, I am not blaming you. I am blaming Zionists like a_person who coined a new term for falsification.

He posted a link to an altered version of the act. I agreed with the vast majority of the act for no one should promote hatred toward a religion or people of a religion or an ethnicity.

But what a_person hid from you is # 10 of the act. Keep in mind that, unlike a_person, I got the full version of the act from a Jewish source. Please read below;

(10) Anti -Semitism has at times taken the form of vilification of Zionism, the Jewish national movement, and incitement against Israel.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/globalantisemtext.html

By enforcing such act, the state of Israel will be the only country on earth whereby criticizing it will be an international offence

What also concern me is how Zionists coined the term to Anti Semitism act to fit them and only them. According to them, Anti Semitism is an act committed against Jews or criticism of the state of Israel. But before they coined this term, they had to make sure not to restrict themselves to any Anti-Semitic acts against other Semites, namely Arabs.

a_person went gunho against people complaining about the act as Anti Semites but had no problem in practicing his own Anti Semitism in attacking other Semites in the same thread. except; according to the defenetion his lik coined, the quote below is not Anti Semitism;

And this is exactly why you're doomed to remain a barbaric medieval ignorant tribe ruled by your sheiks and brainwashed by your mullahs for generations to come.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2420252&highlight=tribe#post2420252

a_person does not care about this type of Anti Semitism because, as I wrote above, he coined the term Anti Semitism to be only applicable to his ideology and state.

Assuming the website quotes the whole text of the act, it is short. I found there nothing that suggest that criticizing Israel or Jews is synonimous with being a criminal.

It did not! a_person acted like a good Zionist by doing a good job in lying.
 
Quote from sameeh55:

(10) Anti -Semitism has at times taken the form of vilification of Zionism, the Jewish national movement, and incitement against Israel.
And ain't that so? But don't take my word for it, check out KKK/White Power/StormFront websites and see for yourself.

More relevant though, there is absolutely nothing in this and "Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009" legislatures that will criminalize these actions which was the primary point of this thread and my rebuttal.

You're one funny clown, Ahmed, go beat your wife you Islamofascist psychopath.
 
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