As I showed before experts (with well documented anti-Israeli basis) acknowledged that no evidence of illegal use of white phosphorus existed. Are you now a military expert, a human rights expert or just a Jew hating anti-semitic sites frequenting euro idiot playing a military/human rights expert on the internets?
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Criminalizing Criticism of Israel
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Quote from a_person:
Sadly, whether they were or were not jews is not even the point, the point is that people like you who are looking everywhere (and invariably finding) for these kinds of Jewish connections meet the classic definition of anti-semitism.
The definition of anti-semitism that you suggested a few posts earlier was: ''hostility towards or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group.''
Proven me ignorant, for which I am thankfull, on one issue (Carnegie) makes me neither anti-Semitic nor voids other points.
I like the way the discussion changed (from offensive words to valid facts). Only such a debate can result in opponents change their knowledge / views, etc.
Regards
The attempts to single out the jews and apply a double standard to them are certainly hostile and discriminative actions that fit the definition of anti-semitism perfectly.Quote from Tresor:
The definition of anti-semitism that you suggested a few posts earlier was: ''hostility towards or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group.''
Even if Rockefeller and Carnegie were jewish - claiming that the Jews had anything at all to do with Eugenics (or bolshevism for that matter) is like saying that Africa has anything to do with the war in Iraq because Collin Powell and Condi Rice were african-americans. Both claims are equally absurd, racist and idiotic.
Quote from a_person:
The attempts to single out the jews and apply a double standard to them are certainly hostile and discriminative actions that fit the definition of anti-semitism perfectly.
Even if Rockefeller and Carnegie were jewish - claiming that the Jews had anything at all to do with Eugenics (or bolshevism for that matter) is like saying that Africa has anything to do with the war in Iraq because Collin Powell and Condi Rice were african-americans. Both claims are equally absurd, racist and idiotic.
Hello a_person,
You have proven me ignorant on Carnegie. I apologized for the lie that I repeated. The sorces that I derived this (false) knowledge were either anti-Jewish or low quality - no doubt about this. I will never rely on them in the future. Respect for the change in the style of your argumentation.
There are other points in this thread on which we disagree. These points have as far as I am concerned, nothing to do with how I perceive Jews. I perceive Jewish nation neutraly, as any other nation. If my knowledge is proven wrong, I am ready to acquire new (objective) knowledge.
If you are able to submit objective knowledge (using logic and facts), I am able and willing to aquire this knowledge.
Regards
Tresor, thank you for your post and in turn I do wish to offer my apologies in case I came out too strongly against your views. You have to understand, while "you perceive the Jewish nation neutrally" (which is perfectly fine) the subject is extremely touchy to a lot of people. Jews have been subjected to false accusations throughout their entire history, from the Inquisition to the Holocaust millions of jews have lost their lives due to these accusations and the internet is flooded with sites and posters accusing the Jews/Israel of all imaginable and unimaginable acts. People are understandably suspicious and skeptical of each and every one of such accusations and/or posters. Hope we'll learn from each other and I am more than happy to discuss other matters we may disagree on, including the situation in the middle east.Quote from Tresor:
Hello a_person,
You have proven me ignorant on Carnegie. I apologized for the lie that I repeated. The sorces that I derived this (false) knowledge were either anti-Jewish or low quality - no doubt about this. I will never rely on them in the future. Respect for the change in the style of your argumentation.
There are other points in this thread on which we disagree. These points have as far as I am concerned, nothing to do with how I perceive Jews. I perceive Jewish nation neutral, as any other nation. If my knowledge is proven wrong, I am ready to acquire new (objective) knowledge.
If you are able to submit objective knowledge (using logic and facts), I am able and willing to aquire this knowledge.
Regards
Regards
What you are describing is a damaged psyche, post traumatic stress disorder, etc.
Amazingly, many jews end up doing the exact same thing that was done to jews in the past (even though many current jews themselves have not been personally subject to the same trauma...)
Very common in the field of psychology to observe those who were victimized personally, or who identify greatly with others who were victimized, in turn become the perpetrator and victimize others in a similar manner in their attempt to work out their trauma...
Good to see that you are admitting to the psychological damage of many of the jews and their over reaction tendency when hearing honest criticism by their reactive attack mode in their to attempt to silence any honest criticism...
It is called a knee jerk, Pavlovian response that many of the jews act on either consciously or unconsciously when they feel attacked...even though they are not being attacked, they feel it just the same...
Just like PST, and other psychological disorders, but in this case it seems to be a cultural psychological disorder...
Those who are old enough have seen this change in jews, from the good jews who were at the forefront of the civil rights movement and peace movements in the 60's, evolve due to this mass psychological disorder into the war mongering neocons that infest the ET boards...
Amazingly, many jews end up doing the exact same thing that was done to jews in the past (even though many current jews themselves have not been personally subject to the same trauma...)
Very common in the field of psychology to observe those who were victimized personally, or who identify greatly with others who were victimized, in turn become the perpetrator and victimize others in a similar manner in their attempt to work out their trauma...
Good to see that you are admitting to the psychological damage of many of the jews and their over reaction tendency when hearing honest criticism by their reactive attack mode in their to attempt to silence any honest criticism...
It is called a knee jerk, Pavlovian response that many of the jews act on either consciously or unconsciously when they feel attacked...even though they are not being attacked, they feel it just the same...
Just like PST, and other psychological disorders, but in this case it seems to be a cultural psychological disorder...
Those who are old enough have seen this change in jews, from the good jews who were at the forefront of the civil rights movement and peace movements in the 60's, evolve due to this mass psychological disorder into the war mongering neocons that infest the ET boards...
Quote from a_person:
Tresor, thank you for your post and in turn I do wish to offer my apologies in case I came out too strongly against your views. You have to understand, while "you perceive the Jewish nation neutrally" (which is perfectly fine) the subject is extremely touchy to a lot of people. Jews have been subjected to false accusations throughout their entire history, from the Inquisition to the Holocaust millions of jews have lost their lives due to these accusations and the internet is flooded with sites and posters accusing the Jews/Israel of all imaginable and unimaginable acts. People are understandably suspicious and skeptical of each and every one of such accusations and/or posters. Hope we'll learn from each other and I am more than happy to discuss other matters we may disagree on, including the situation in the middle east.
Regards
Quote from IShopAtPublix:
Israel is not soviet union, and if palestinians/arab(muslim) world behaved properly they would enjoy the benefits of a modern state. You would be hard pressed to explain why infant mortality in Israel is lower than any arab nation and even lower than in the US.
And you come in here bragging about your well rounded knowledge of the conflict.
You are correct! Israel is not the Soviet Union; Israel is more like Nazi Germany. All one has to do is to do an HONEST review of their actions against the Gaza Ghetto and compare it to the Warsaw Ghetto. Only then well that person is able to see the shocking compression.
Soviet Union did not ethnically cleanse East Germans, did not steal their land and did not use genocidal methods against them. Matter of fact, rather than ethnically cleans them, it made sure to keep them in. As we are speaking, Jerusalem is being emptied out from its Christian and Muslim inhabitant and there will come a day when the Al Aqsa mosque will collapse due to the Israeli infrastructure destruction below it and the Holly city's churches will be turned into Museums and night clubs like many other places of warship in the land that the state of Israel stole.
On the Issue of infant mortality in Israel, let me add that Israel's infant mortality is lower than the US thanks to the generous bribe money it receives from the US. Let me also add that Israel's percentage of people living under the poverty line is way lower than that of the US due to the heavy subsidies given by the US to every citizen living in Israel.
Germany was a great power before both world wars, dominant in science and technology with no ifs and buts. I used the example of WWII to show that if you have the right stuff losing a war will not necessarily preclude you from greatness. Palestinians and arab world in general don't amount to a hill of beans outside of oil production. That is what you need to understand first and foremost.
Again, you are making two mistakes!
1- You are combining Palestinians and Arabs in one category to paint a dark picture. I have proved to you that when Palestinians were given a chance, they excelled in every field but you seem to ignore that and resort to your regular rant.
And
2- Even after the Treaty of Versailles, Germany continued in being intact and its population never been decimated. As a matter of fact, Roosevelt insisted in allowing Germany's capabilities intact.
You need to go to the West Bank and see with your own eyes the effect of Israel's policies on the Palestinians. There is an intentional attempt to make the Palestinian population in the occupied territories desperate and destitute. There is an intentional attempt by Israel to destroy every viable mean of allowing the Palestinians to develop their own capability.
I am fully aware of the situation in palestine. Since I live in a free country I can access all kinds of info. I can go to amazon.com and order Mein Kampf or books on "evils of Israel Lobby", Jimmy Carters books, sites of David Duke, etc. "Zionists" don't prevent me from having access to info that criticizes Israel. In China, for example, Tiananmen Square protests don't exist as far as the state is concerned. They have been erased from history and if you go to google china you will not see a single reference to the topic, firewalls prevent all kinds of info critical of chinese government from being accessed on the internet. If you go and start trying to explain to people what happened in tiananmen you will be taken into a black car never to be seen again. THAT IS WHAT CONTROL OF INFORMATION IS. Let's see how much freedom one would have in Cairo going on the street and saying that Nasser was a pompous fool. Many people in that region believe that arabs actually "won" 1973 war (including you)
Even though you are not making sense, I will still tell you that all one has to do is to look at your one sided writing. As a matter of fact, all I hear from you is the exact false Zionist propaganda (to the tee), laced with concealed white supremacist and colonial views.
All you remind me of is the European settlers who arrived at the shores of New England and claimed that land was theirs because god gave them this holy land...Ring a bell??
You would not understand it because you don't live in north america.
Silly assumption.
Palestinian issue seems like a super important thing to you. But to people in the developed world it is but one of cases of people living a miserable existence. In essence, "take a number".
Exactly! Yet Israel's well being, a country which happened to be thousands of miles away from you, is front and center in any American foreign policy. Why is that IShop?
Nobody "lectured me". Objective reality is, Israel is a modern state and arab states without oil are hopeless and those with oil are temporarily buoyed but still backward. That infant mortality statistic I showed earlier is quite telling.
Here you go again with the broken record as if you are trying to repeat this argument so many times in hope of selling it.
If your argument holds true, Nazi Germany and South Africa were also modern states like Israel and the three of them carried or still carry Fascists atrocities. Yet you swallowed hook and sinker the evilness of Nazi Germany and S. Africa but managed somehow to justify Israel's crimes by its supposed modernity. Why is that IShop?
Israel exists and will continue to do so, regardless of people on the arab street think.
That is what the white supremacists in S. Africa and the French in Algeria thought.
Hamas and Hezbollah can huff and puff all they want but they won't destroy Israel. Arabs tried to destroy Israel in several wars and failed every time. Starting and losing 3 wars has consequences.
None squatter! Resistance groups are not there to win a war in one decisive battle, hence the name, and the Arabs did not really fight according to many Jewish historians.
Israel is a more advanced country than arab states (plus non arab persian Iran)
No doubt! That does not discount the fact that it is an identical copy of Nazi Germany and the Afrikaner Regime of S. Africa, in its atrocities and in its colonization policies. Both Nazi Germany and S. Africa were âMore Advancedâ.
There will be no 2 state solution. Israel is not going to give up Jerusalem, there will be no "right of return".
Not with the present, expired, Palestinian so called government in Ramallah it won't but time will tell.
Gaza is a trash can and hopelessly economically depressed.
So was the Warsaw Ghetto after Nazi Germany carried the same exact tactics that Israel carries against Gaza.
Neither Hamas nor Hezbollah is capable of actually leading palestinians to something productive.
Resistance does not have a name and could come in very different forms. We are still at the beginning of the journey if you want to compare is to other people's struggle.
Palestinian "arab brothers" don't want to extend real help. Paying families of suicide bombers is not considered real help.
Thank you! Then why do you insist in drawing a comparison between them and us.
Any smart person would have recognized that launching rockets from lebanon is juvenile and is a road to nowhere. Also saying how hezbollah kicked israel's ass in lebanon is a bit misleading. Israel did not accomplish its goals and lost men and tanks, but considerable portion of lebanese infrastructure (including airport) was destroyed.
And re-built! Now let me see if the fourth strongest army on earth will dare touch Lebanon again.
A smart palestinian would do either 1 of 2 things: Get the hell out
Dream on!
2) try to integrate with Israel.
That concept is adamantly refused by your Zionist Brethrens.
Nobody in the right mind would want "to have a right of return". Because of people like arafat that wanted sovereignty we have the current situation.
Dream on!
Quote from a_person:
Tresor, thank you for your post and in turn I do wish to offer my apologies in case I came out too strongly against your views.
You have to understand, while "you perceive the Jewish nation neutrally" (which is perfectly fine) the subject is extremely touchy to a lot of people. Jews have been subjected to false accusations throughout their entire history, from the Inquisition to the Holocaust millions of jews have lost their lives due to these accusations and the internet is flooded with sites and posters accusing the Jews/Israel of all imaginable and unimaginable acts. People are understandably suspicious and skeptical of each and every one of such accusations and/or posters. Hope we'll learn from each other and I am more than happy to discuss other matters we may disagree on, including the situation in the middle east.
Regards
I am fully aware of many false accusations on Jews throughout the centuries.
Since we have proven to each other that exchanging views is more effiecient than insulting, I would like to continue the discussion on the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act in the same peaceful way.
Is there anyone who read the Act and can confirm / deny the thesis of articles posted by sameeh55 on the frst page of the thread?
Regards
You misunderstood me, I was actually describing people like you - Israel-hating Jew-obsessed disgusting antisemitic Internet trolls going from one anonymous internet forum to another and spewing antisemitic lies which started in the Protocols and anti-Israeli propaganda concocted in Tehran and Riyadh.Quote from OPTIONAL777:
What you are describing is a damaged psyche, post traumatic stress disorder, etc.
Tresor, this is really not rocket-science, just go to the source
1. H.R. 1913, The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 deals with violent crimes "in which the defendant intentionally selects a victim, or in the case of a property crime, the property that is the object of the crime, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual orientation of any person."
2. The legislature specifically "(Sec. 8) Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech."
3.GLOBAL ANTI-SEMITISM REVIEW ACT OF 2004 merely monitors anti-semitic activity throughout the world.
4. These two pieces of legislature have absolutely nothing in common.
5. Sameeh is an Islamo-Nazi idiot polluting the Internet with Islamo-Nazi, anti-semitic, anti-israel and anti-western lies.
6. People who take sameeh, his posts, links, websites and articles seriously are even bigger idiots than he is.
Quote from Tresor:
I would like to continue the discussion on the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act in the same peaceful way.
1. H.R. 1913, The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 deals with violent crimes "in which the defendant intentionally selects a victim, or in the case of a property crime, the property that is the object of the crime, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability, or sexual orientation of any person."
2. The legislature specifically "(Sec. 8) Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech."
3.GLOBAL ANTI-SEMITISM REVIEW ACT OF 2004 merely monitors anti-semitic activity throughout the world.
4. These two pieces of legislature have absolutely nothing in common.
5. Sameeh is an Islamo-Nazi idiot polluting the Internet with Islamo-Nazi, anti-semitic, anti-israel and anti-western lies.
6. People who take sameeh, his posts, links, websites and articles seriously are even bigger idiots than he is.