Criminal Trials of Donald Trump

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Interesting the federal immunity ruling is impacting the state level case.

Manhattan Prosecutors Agree to Delay Trump’s Sentencing
Donald J. Trump’s lawyers want to argue that a Supreme Court decision giving presidents immunity for official acts should void his felony conviction for covering up hush money paid to a porn star.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/nyregion/trump-sentencing-hush-money-trial.html

Manhattan prosecutors on Tuesday agreed with Donald J. Trump’s request to postpone his criminal sentencing so that the judge overseeing the case could weigh whether a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling might imperil his conviction, new court filings show.

It is up to the judge to determine whether to postpone the sentencing, though with both sides in agreement, it seems likely he would do so.

Mr. Trump, who was convicted of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to his cover-up of a sex scandal during his 2016 presidential campaign, was scheduled to be sentenced on July 11. He faces up to four years in prison, though he could receive as little as a few weeks in jail, or probation.

On Monday, the Supreme Court granted Mr. Trump broad immunity from prosecution for official actions taken as president, dealing a major setback to his federal criminal case in Washington, where he is accused of plotting to overturn his 2020 election loss.

Although the Manhattan case does not center on Mr. Trump’s presidency or official acts — but rather personal activity during his campaign — his lawyers argued on Monday that prosecutors had built their case partly on evidence from his time in the White House. And under the Supreme Court’s new ruling, prosecutors not only cannot charge a president for any official acts, but also cannot cite evidence involving official acts to bolster other accusations.

In a letter to the judge who presided over the trial, Juan M. Merchan, Mr. Trump’s lawyers argued that the conviction should be set aside. They also asked Justice Merchan to postpone the sentencing while he considered their request.

In response to the letter from Mr. Trump’s lawyers, the district attorney’s office wrote that prosecutors did not oppose Mr. Trump’s request to delay the sentencing.

“Although we believe defendant’s arguments to be without merit, we do not oppose his request for leave to file and his putative request to adjourn sentencing pending determination of his motion,” wrote Joshua Steinglass, one of the assistant district attorneys who tried the case against the former president.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers proposed filing their court papers on July 10, and the district attorney’s office said it would respond two weeks later.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

Hilarious,

We all saw that coming...the sentencing will be delayed until "after" the lower courts determine what are "official acts" versus "unofficial (private) acts".

Simply, Trump's lawyers will say that paying off a porn star with money after fucking her...the money (hush money) to keep her silent when Trump was only a candidate (not the President of the United States) was an "official act" that's done in his Presidential duties as President of the United States...

Good luck to them in trying to convince the courts that Trump was President when the crime occurred (hush money payments) in the months before the 2016 November Presidential Election. Yet, they may be able to say some of the written checks (hush money) occurred "after" the election...

Technically Trump was President in comparison to the summer of 2016 when he was just a candidate.

It's always a technicality that white-collar criminals can escape or delay justice when others like blue-collar criminals are quickly convicted and sent to prison for the same crimes because they cannot afford the fancy lawyers.

The moral of the story is if you're ever arrested for a serious crime...get out on bail and then run for President of the United States. You can then delay or be immune from prosecution.

This now has me thinking about President Clinton when he got a blow job from an intern (aka Lewinsky) in the Oval Office of the White House and then shot his load on her dress...that should have qualified as an "official act" more than fucking a porn star in a hotel many years earlier when Trump was not the President and then giving the porn star money to keep silent about the extramarital affair in the months before the November election.

• B. Clinton receiving a blow job when he was President, in the Oval Office with the intern who gave him the blow job and then let him decorate her dress.
• D. Trump fucked a porn star after convincing her he doesn't need a condom in a hotel many years before running for President and then gave the porn star money to keep quiet about fucking her without a condom when he decided to run for President of the United States.

Which above qualifies as an "official act" for a President to do as part of his duties? as President of the United States??

Yet, I'm sure the difference must be the Supreme Court versus Senators voting to convict/acquittal...nothing to do with when the crime occurred and the location...intern versus porn star...if you were President or not President at the time of cheating on your wife when other's outside the room thought you were doing Presidential duties a.k.a Official Duties for the United States of America.



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Interesting the federal immunity ruling is impacting the state level case.

Manhattan Prosecutors Agree to Delay Trump’s Sentencing
Donald J. Trump’s lawyers want to argue that a Supreme Court decision giving presidents immunity for official acts should void his felony conviction for covering up hush money paid to a porn star.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/nyregion/trump-sentencing-hush-money-trial.html

Manhattan prosecutors on Tuesday agreed with Donald J. Trump’s request to postpone his criminal sentencing so that the judge overseeing the case could weigh whether a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling might imperil his conviction, new court filings show.

It is up to the judge to determine whether to postpone the sentencing, though with both sides in agreement, it seems likely he would do so.

Mr. Trump, who was convicted of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to his cover-up of a sex scandal during his 2016 presidential campaign, was scheduled to be sentenced on July 11. He faces up to four years in prison, though he could receive as little as a few weeks in jail, or probation.

On Monday, the Supreme Court granted Mr. Trump broad immunity from prosecution for official actions taken as president, dealing a major setback to his federal criminal case in Washington, where he is accused of plotting to overturn his 2020 election loss.

Although the Manhattan case does not center on Mr. Trump’s presidency or official acts — but rather personal activity during his campaign — his lawyers argued on Monday that prosecutors had built their case partly on evidence from his time in the White House. And under the Supreme Court’s new ruling, prosecutors not only cannot charge a president for any official acts, but also cannot cite evidence involving official acts to bolster other accusations.

In a letter to the judge who presided over the trial, Juan M. Merchan, Mr. Trump’s lawyers argued that the conviction should be set aside. They also asked Justice Merchan to postpone the sentencing while he considered their request.

In response to the letter from Mr. Trump’s lawyers, the district attorney’s office wrote that prosecutors did not oppose Mr. Trump’s request to delay the sentencing.

“Although we believe defendant’s arguments to be without merit, we do not oppose his request for leave to file and his putative request to adjourn sentencing pending determination of his motion,” wrote Joshua Steinglass, one of the assistant district attorneys who tried the case against the former president.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers proposed filing their court papers on July 10, and the district attorney’s office said it would respond two weeks later.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

simply ask stormy d. if it felt "official" for her - the answer can only be

"FUCK NO !"

 

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simply ask stormy d. if it felt "official" for her - the answer can only be

"FUCK NO !"

This idiot Trump and his lawyers will not stop there...they will go back in time for all of Trump's civil convictions as a private citizen...not a presidential candidate and will try to undo those convictions too.

Yet, Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett could be setting the stage for how the lower courts should rule in defining which indictment charges should qualify as "Unofficial (Private) Acts".

Justice Amy Coney Barrett says presidential immunity doesn't apply to Trump's fake electors scheme

One of Donald Trump’s attorneys is claiming that the “fake-electors” scheme qualifies as an “official act," thus exempting him from being prosecuted after the Supreme Court's immunity ruling on Monday, the Hill reported.

Trump attorney Will Scharf told CNN Monday night that while some of the presumptive GOP nominee’s actions count as private conduct, meaning they can still be charged as crimes by special counsel Jack Smith, he should enjoy immunity for his failed attempt to put forward fake electors in key states following the 2020 election. “We believe the assembly of those alternate slates of electors was an official act of the presidency,” Scharf said, noting that the Supreme Court left that question for lower courts to decide.

But Trump-appointed Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, while siding with the 6-3 conservative majority on immunity, wrote in her own opinion that the fake electors scheme should not in fact be construed as an "official act," Mediaitereported.

Specifically, Barrett agreed with liberal Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent that acts which take place while a president is in office should be allowed to be introduced as evidence in a criminal trial. Barrett wrote that she disagrees with the belief "that the Constitution limits the introduction of protected conduct as evidence in a criminal prosecution of a President, beyond the limits afforded by executive privilege."

She added that the Constitution “does not require blinding juries to the circumstances surrounding conduct for which Presidents can be held liable.” Essentially, Barrett argues that a jury should be allowed to hear “both the quid and the quo,” even if the quo could not itself be the basis of a criminal charge. ​

Writing specifically about Trump's fake-elector scheme:

"In my view, that conduct is private and therefore not entitled to protection. The Constitution vests power to appoint Presidential electors in the States. And while Congress has a limited role in that process, the President has none.” ​

Justice Amy Coney Barrett says presidential immunity doesn't apply to Trump's fake electors scheme (msn.com)

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Just as importantly, Amy Coney Barrett agreed overall with the 6 - 3 decision and the decision to punt it back down to the lower courts.

She also recognizes some of the Prosecution indictments qualify as "Unofficial (Private) Acts" that Trump should be prosecuted and convicted because they are not "Official Acts"...duties of the President of the United States of America.

Regardless, the lower courts will have the final decision but we should then see a sitting U.S. President in a mad scramble to save his ass from becoming the first sitting U.S. President to be prosecuted and then becoming again a convicted felon.

Simply, Trump will be too busy with his bullshit of running like a coward from the law...he will not be an effective President of the United States if he were to win the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election.​

That new reality should push him to try to have the DOJ throw out the criminal charges against him including Trump going after the U.S. Constitution to make changes to it as a last-ditch effort to protect his criminally corrupt ass.

Again, Liz Cheney (a Republican) will have proven why Trump is not mentally fit for the Office of the President of the United States because he's a psychopath especially after Trump wants (suggests) to use the U.S. military to take out his political rivals...

Trump amplifies posts calling for televised military tribunal for Liz Cheney (msn.com)​

The question now...will America wake up in time by November to prevent this lunatic from destroying Democracy and eventually changing the U.S. Constitution to protect his own ass as he continues to think he's a King that's above the Law.

If America wakes up from this political nightmare...

Trump is Fucked

P.S. As a lifelong Republican (not a flip-flopper) like Liz Cheney...I love my GOP but not the MAGA virus infection that Trump infected the GOP for his personal corrupt needs.

Trump's virus infection went from the Reform party, to the Democratic party and has found a host in the Republican party...flip-flopping.

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The 2nd weakest criminal case against Donald Trump has been dismissed by Judge Cannon because Special Counsel Jack Smith was unlawfully appointed & funded...a violation of the appointment clause in the U.S. Constitution.

Yet, Judge Cannon did not rule if Trump's behaviour was legal.

Judge dismisses classified documents case against Donald Trump ​

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-classified-documents-case-dismissed-07-15-24/index.html​

Now the two weakest cases (Hush Money and Classified Documents cases) have concluded...there are two remaining criminal cases (the two strongest) but they're delayed.

Georgia 2020 Election: Trump and 18 other defendants. There were others but they took plea deals to testify against Trump. Several Republican election officials will testify against Trump.

The racketeering investigation, led by Georgia prosecutor Fani Willis, was sparked in part by a leaked phone call in which the former president asked the state's top election official to "find 11,780 votes".

Trump was hit with 13 criminal counts, subsequently reduced to 10. They include one alleged violation of Georgia's Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (Rico).

The former president has pleaded not guilty.

Capitol Riots and 2020 Election: Trump has been charged with four criminal counts, including conspiracy to defraud the US and conspiracy against the rights of citizens. A few lawyers from Trump's inner circle have taken plea deals to testify against Trump.

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Two down and two more to go. So far, only 34 felony convictions...more to come at a later date. Yet, to be clear, the Supreme Court ruling about "limited immunity" should impact the two remaining criminal cases because the lower courts must decide which of the charges against Trump represent "Official Acts" and which are "Unofficial (personal) Acts".

Simply, I'm expecting a few of those charges against Trump will be ruled as "Official Acts".

As for the Hush Money criminally convicted felonies 34x...they will remain because the crimes occurred when Trump was not President. Regardless, Trump and his lawyers are trying to get his felony convictions thrown out while they appeal the unanimous jury decision by jurors that were Republicans and Democrats.

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Trump may want to reconsider debating Harris after the Democrats Nominate her at the DNC...

From Courtroom Prosecutor to Attorney General and now frontrunner for the Democrats, she has the appropriate optics on Donald Trump.

Harris said:

...I took on perpetrators of all kind
Predators who abused women
Fraudsters who ripped off consumers
Cheaters who broke the rule for their own gain
So here me when I say, I know Donald Trump's type... ​

The downside for Trump is if he loses the election to a former Prosecutor who knows his type...

Trump will not be able to throw out the two remaining criminal cases against him...something Trump would have done had he regained the White House. In my opinion, it's the real reason why his lawyers recommended that he run for the U.S. Presidency.

Win it...these criminal trials will go away.​

Those from Trump's inner circle (some are lawyers) who made plea deals to testify against Trump in the remaining two criminal trials should result in Trump getting more felony convictions, prison time, or at least house-arrest...possibly ending his political career unless Trump jumps back into politics as a 84-year-old in 2028.

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[Atlantic]

Trump may want to reconsider debating Harris after the Democrats Nominate her at the DNC...

From Courtroom Prosecutor to Attorney General and now frontrunner for the Democrats, she has the appropriate optics on Donald Trump.

Harris said:

...I took on perpetrators of all kind
Predators who abused women
Fraudsters who ripped off consumers
Cheaters who broke the rule for their own gain
So here me when I say, I know Donald Trump's type... ​

The downside for Trump is if he loses the election to a former Prosecutor who knows his type...

Trump will not be able to throw out the two remaining criminal cases against him...something Trump would have done had he regained the White House. In my opinion, it's the real reason why his lawyers recommended that he run for the U.S. Presidency.

Win it...these criminal trials will go away.​

Those from Trump's inner circle (some are lawyers) who made plea deals to testify against Trump in the remaining two criminal trials should result in Trump getting more felony convictions, prison time, or at least house-arrest...possibly ending his political career unless Trump jumps back into politics as a 84-year-old in 2028.

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she will completely dismantle and destroy him in the debate.

it will be brutal and funny.

 

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she will completely dismantle and destroy him in the debate.

it will be brutal and funny.

I think only a former prosecutor can debate successfully with Trump while showing the Independents who have not decided what Trump truly is about as a disgusting person with no morals, a liar, a sore loser, and a convicted felon 34x.

She will find a way to slip that into any debate as a strong reminder about Donald Trump.​

It's the reason why I was flabbergasted about why the Trump campaign wanted Biden to step down...a person not fit for another war with Trump. I'm shocked they forgot the Vice President is a former prosecutor and district attorney...a woman who struts up & down stairs with ease on stairs to an Airplane barely holding the safety rails...

Wearing her signature Converse low rise gym shoes. A person that should be able to attract the Gen Z celebrities to get their supporters behind her.

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What was the Trump campaign thinking was going to happen when they began their demands for Biden to step down ??? She has that mama bear mentality...stalking in the background.

Covid took out Biden but at the same time...Covid unleashed Harris. A person that will grab social media much better than Trump while he's having tantrums and ranting on Truth Social.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/24/kamala-harris-gen-z-voters

P.S. This message post was posted in error in this thread. I may repost it again if I can find the other thread. I want to keep this thread only about Trump's Criminal Trials.

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The bogus criminal cases are being dismissed one by one, January 6 case struck down by the US Supreme, court as none of the January 6 demonstrators actually interfered with the electoral vote count being alleged by the Democrats. Classified Data case dismissed by Judge Cannon as the appointment of Jack Smith was illegal. Presidential Immunity case as well ruled by the US Supreme Court. US Presidents have immunity from official acts while, in office. Of course, the lies keep coming from the extreme liberal left.

 

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The bogus criminal cases are being dismissed one by one, January 6 case, Classified Data case dismissed by Judge Cannon as the appointment of Jack Smith was illegal. Presidential Immunity case as well ruled by the US Supreme Court. Of course, the lies keep coming from the extreme liberal left.

 

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He keeps forgetting that in the remaining two criminal cases...the lower courts will decide which counts qualify as "Official acts" and which counts qualify as "Unofficial personal acts".

Most of the counts will be intact as "Unofficial personal acts" while the others will be thrown out because they're "Official acts". Regardless, they will not dismiss the plea deals already made to testify against Trump by lawyers from Trump's inner circle.

In my opinion, those are courageous Republicans. Individuals that know Trump and know he does not belong in the White House. ​

If Trump is not President, those criminal cases will eventually proceed without prejudice...resulting in more felony convictions.

Thus, Trump needs to win the 2024 Presidential Election to stay out of prison by making those remaining criminal trials...disappear. It's as simple as that.

In contrast, Trump is scheduled for sentencing in September for the 34x convicted felonies in the Hush Money Criminal trial...his legacy... after 50 years of prior investigations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/01/trump-investigations-history-timeline/

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