creation of the universe

[dcraig]

Quote from dcraignemisis:

Oh, reeealy!
Care to explain to us just where the "brilliant young sceintists" are who debunked the global cooling myth of the 1970's? I was in high school and remember the whole earth day- new era of glaciers nonsense very well. Not only did they not come forth, but they repackaged it as global warming. And just when the data begin to veer, we see it repackaged as "climate change", so as to make sure they cover it all.
Well guess what. We heard all the "no serious scientist would possibly oppose" stuff for global cooling, too.
Pardon me if your pseudo-scientific nonsense makes me barf!
As if it is fact. Indeed!

What is your point. Of course there are mistakes, wrong paths and the occasional fraud in science as in any human activity. However in broad sweep of history, science delivers the goods. You wouldn't be posting on ET without it. Blind faith in creationism and the reactionary attacks on science deliver *nothing* whatsoever.

As for climate change, without scientific method the foundations of knowledge for manageing damage to the environment cannot be built. Whether the will exists to put such knowlege to good use is another matter.

 

[nononsense]

Quote from jzlucas:

My answer is "No one knows for sure".

Many do. That's where faith or belief comes in.
Philosophers refer to this form of knowledge as "Metaphysics", i.e. what lies beyond physics, i.e. not accessible to scientific inquiry.

Quote from jzlucas:


I believe science can discredit any holy book that exists today.

No serious scientist wastes his time by dabbling into your "holy books" expressing eternal truths, written in the speak of people 2000 years ago. Only religious bigots do, mostly belonging to the atheist religion.

Quote from jzlucas:

However, that doesn't disprove the existence of a creator.

How right you are about this.

Quote from jzlucas:

Even if one does exist, it wouldn't guarantee an afterlife though.

Certainly it is guaranteed by many different faiths. One could say that this belief is innate, shared by an overwhelming majority of human beings. If it was stamped out by atheist sects in enslaved individuals trying to make their lives as corrupt and easy-going as possible, most of these will panic if their time comes up and the devil will possibly get them. It is not sure that Divine Mercy will much bother about these.

For the Christian Faith, the best answer is perhaps given by John: 1-17-18
"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

Quote from jzlucas:

Nice picture.

 

[jzlucas]

Quote from nononsense:



Nice picture.

LOL!

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from maxpi:

A person can be so far off on this question. Science can be argued from either viewpoint, science that seems to fit the big bang theory and science that seems to fit the idea that the earth is not at all old.

this is nonsense. there is no scientific peer reviewed evidence of a young earth.
it is amusing to watch the theist argue that science is wrong about the age of the earth because there are still some things we dont understand and yet will readily believe that some unseen deity just spoke and the earth popped up from nothing.


"Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances,... and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, which people see as ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn."
[St. Augustine,]

 

[pattersb]

You may be able to find the answer in one these
38,000,000 results:

http://www.google.com/search?source...LG:2005-45,GGLG:en&q=creation+of+the+universe


If you do, let us all know. I'm dying to find out:

 

[peto]

It's only 29,300,000 now.
Got narrowed down a little.

 

[OddTrader]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

Ok...which is the true story of creation

"Sorry, that was one of my big mistakes."

 

[kjkent1]

All answers to the question of creation are simultaneously correct and incorrect. Where a question has no limits, every answer is equally likely.

Pascal must have known this...he just didn't want to have his head cut off for being a heretic.

 

[Ricter]

Nice thought, Kent.

I agree with Watts when he said that if a thing has happened once, it can probably happen again. In line with that I tend to believe that our Big Bang is not the only Big Bang there has ever been, and of course it won't be the last.

 

[archimedes]

What if the inherently unknowable origins of the universe are a powerful (and useful) statement about the nature of reality and purpose? Any of y'all wild guessers think of that?