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[traderwann]

Quote from Free Thinker:
is critical thinking not one of your strengths? if you read something and you dont know who wrote it and there is no evidence backing up the claim made by the unknown author just how do you determine if the content is real?

So far my experience shows that yes that is one of my strengths. Let's hope that only improves with time.

There are CURRENT reputable sources of information that are purposefully anonymous because they want to focus on the subject matter, the content of the story, instead of the author or writer. If this is valid for current sources then it is also valid for historical sources. There has to be consistency or else we get into hypocrisy.

Part of an academically accepted flawed argument is to attack the character of who wrote it, so to avoid that being an option anonymity is used so that both the reader and the writer can focus solely on the content.

If you don't understand I will gladly explain further if you can tell me where you don't see this making sense.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from traderwann:

So far my experience shows that yes that is one of my strengths. Let's hope that only improves with time.

lets hope so. so far all indications are you have a lomg ways to go.

 

[trendlover]

Traderwann poster, what is your reason for this if there is god? Why? Because why?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/healthy-two-headed-baby-born-brazil-192245708.html

 

[stu]

Quote from traderwann:

I would gladly explain if you would ask a question!

All you did is repeat yourself, just like last time. If you don't understand what I mean please ask, I would very gladly explain. I can't explain though because all you did is just repeat. So all I can do is repeat. Please, tell me what you did not understand specifically and exactly. I don't mind being wrong, but you'll have to show me a little more clearly if you want to make that point.

You're claiming there are current reputable sources of information that although anonymous , focus on subject matter and content of story.

There are no reputable sources of information current or noncurrent focusing on subject matter and content of story that either turn Jesus into a non-fictional figure or the Bible into anything other than a book of myths.

So I'll ask again what are you talking about.
Hope that's clear enough for you.

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

You are a clown. 17th century experts?
is this your dating method?

That's the good thing about denial it keeps you ignorant. You'd be dangerous if you could think.

 

[jem]

Quote from jem:

One problem with your fictional b.s. --- its countered by facts.

Your own expert - the only one you could even conjure up says this..

"Central to Crossan's methodology is the dating of texts. This is laid out more or less fully in The Historical Jesus in one of the appendices. He dates part of the Coptic Gospel of Thomas to the 50s CE, as well as the first layer of the hypothetical Q Document (in this he is heavily dependent on the work of John Kloppenborg). He also assigns a portion of the Gospel of Peter, which he calls the "Cross Gospel," to a date preceding the synoptic gospels, the reasoning of which is laid out more fully in The Cross that Spoke: The Origin of the Passion Narratives. He believes the "Cross Gospel" was the forerunner to the passion narratives in the canonical gospels. He does not date the synoptics until the mid to late 70s CE, starting with the Gospel of Mark and ending with Luke in the 90s"


So not only do we have an virtually undisputed quote in Josephus Antiquities... your own "expert" is dating texts which speak of Jesus to well inside the eyewitness period. In the 50s CE.

And recently other fragments of the new testament... have been dated by some experts to well within the eyewitness period as well.

All this is quite remarkable... how many 2000 year old writings of a controversial figure would you expect to survive.

You are the clown in denial... The only "expert" you cite... told you in a previous quote, jesus was a living person, and you can see he dates historical accounts and documents to within a few decades of Jesus' death.

Your own expert Crossan contradicts the years of lies spewing from your warped bigoted mind.

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

You are the clown in denial... The only "expert" you cite... told you in a previous quote, jesus was a living person, and you can see he dates historical accounts and documents to within a few decades of Jesus' death.

Your own expert Crossan contradicts the years of lies spewing from your warped bigoted mind.

No expert including Crossan told me, you or anyone else any such thing you deluded idiot.
No one has ever been able to establish Jesus as a living person from historical evidence, because there isn't any. It's that simple.

On the other hand you are an expert prick, persistently claiming things that are never true.

 

[traderwann]

Quote from Free Thinker:
lets hope so. so far all indications are you have a lomg ways to go.

Prove it instead of acting like a "god" and just saying so like you are beyond question. Sigh. So far there are zero indications that I have a long way to go. So far, whenever I show a tiny bit of intelligence you reel back in anguish and yell "babbler" look at the "babbler" who is "babbling".

Note: replace "babble" with "sin" and you are the same as the religious people your condemn. You may as well call me a "sinner" and say that my words are "just sin" instead of "just babble".

Either way, you and the Pharisees have a lot to learn.

 

[traderwann]

Quote from trendlover:

Traderwann poster, what is your reason for this if there is god? Why? Because why?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/healthy-two-headed-baby-born-brazil-192245708.html

If you really want to know post me privately or ask a question that is not easily answered by a basic internet search. Do that search and ask something more specific, I will gladly answer. You are touching on something important, but doing so from a perspective that lacks information that is easily available.

 

[traderwann]

Quote from stu:You're claiming there are current reputable sources of information that although anonymous , focus on subject matter and content of story.
There are no reputable sources of information current or noncurrent focusing on subject matter and content of story that either turn Jesus into a non-fictional figure or the Bible into anything other than a book of myths.
So I'll ask again what are you talking about.
Hope that's clear enough for you.

Whether a source is reputable depends on the information, not the other way around. So you can't say "there are no REPUTABLE sources" because that implies that any one source is beyond question, that this one source can be depended on instead of depending on the CONTENT. The content makes the source reputable. Moreover, the subject matter of the bible is not solely to make Jesus into a non-fictional character. So your point is mute. If that was the PRIMARY puprose of scripture, you would be correct. Since it is not, you are incorrect and are "babbling" just like you falsely accuse me of. Instread, I have accused you and proven it. Please respond in kind and with equal honesty.

Moving on, the point isn't whether the sources "turn" him ficional or non-fictional, the point is that WHAT IS SAID does not depend on WHO said it. It does not depend on whether the person is fictional or real. If there is a story, and if there is a moral/point to the story, that moral/point remains regardless if it is a myth or if it is real.

What I am saying is: focus on what is said, not who said it and if they were real or imagined, the moral/point being made can be equally true if the story is made up or real, it's the lesson learned that counts, not the spoken words

What I mean is, even if I speak complete gibberish and yet someone still learns the lesson, the job is complete. So if I speak of a fictional character and the lesson is learned, the job is complete. If I speak of a real character and the lesson is learned, the job is complete.

May peace be with you.

Oh, look at it this way. There are many children's fairy tales that have an important lesson. The lesson is still valid even though it is a fairy tale! Do you see??? Do you get it?? Cmon my friend, this is very easy if you open your mind and be objective!