crazy christians:'Harry Potter and yoga are evil', says Catholic Church

[traderwann]

Quote from Ricter:
Disagree. The reason is the same as it ever was, fear of death, whether death of the body, or death of the Self. Religion is an "immortality project" that battles other immortality projects (like science) so it seems to be the cause of war, but it's not. The underlying cause is still fear of loss. Which is why great inequality makes the fundamentally tragic situation worse: humans don't "tough it out" when it's not being shared, they raid.

Competition, survival of the fittest has a lot to do with it. These are all choices under our control. Without these concepts, the natural human reaction is to be nice to each other, supportive, etc. War is not in human nature, it's in the nature of 0.1% which manipulate the masses. They use various tools to do so. Religion is one of them. These people don't care about the tool, they will use any tool. It's all about the end, not the means. They don't understand the concept of the means being the ends. Bah. Like someone else said, I'm not sure the atheists can keep up!

 

[Spike Trader]

Quote from traderwann:

You do not agree, you are being manipulative, dishonest, non-genuine, practically lying, not facing contrary evidence, ignoring the majority of the message and the relevant points.

Psychopaths are the cause of war, do you include yourself in that class? Because by your own actions, you refuse to participate in reasonable conversation. IF this was done at a level where when conversation failed wars begun, YOU WOULD BE THE CAUSE OF WAR.

YOU. Not religion. Get it? Got it? Good.

Just like a scalpel does not make a doctor commit murder, religion does not CAUSE you to go to war. YOU CHOOSE, my point is YOUR PERSONALITY, YOUR STUBBORNESS would lead to war.

Wake up mate. Wakey wakey!

You see...... you're the one who said that you read a few passages from the Big Book and became the ''4th Wise Man'' .Try showing us the wisdom you gained from your experience instead of the ''i'm right you're wrong '' attitude.

 

[traderwann]

Quote from Free Thinker:
lol. like i care if some twerp on the internet is upset with me.
it you learn to ask direct questions based on some kind of reasonable thought process you might get a direct answer. quit rambling on like some kind of idiot.

You have any proof that I'm a twerp or is that more adhominem bullocks avoiding and ignoring? If you don't care, then you are PROVING you are not here to participate in conversation, that you don't want to hear contradictory information, that you are always right, that you know everything, that you are here to propagandize and EVERYTHING ELSE I've suggested.

Like I just said, I would be happy to apologize when you change. Until then, it is what it is, at least you admit it. Even though I don't think that was your plan. Freudian slippage I guess. You ignored the question but at least you quoted it this time:

Do you become furious when your opinions are disputed? If not, why do you always ignore, distract, avoid, derail, attack, etc?

 

[traderwann]

Quote from Free Thinker:
Steven Weinberg: With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

The type of replies you are giving here would FAIL any high school english comprehension class. You post the above in response to:

"Psychopaths are the cause of war, do you include yourself in that class? Because by your own actions, you refuse to participate in reasonable conversation. IF this was done at a level where when conversation failed wars begun, YOU WOULD BE THE CAUSE OF WAR. YOU. Not religion. Get it? Got it? Good. Just like a scalpel does not make a doctor commit murder, religion does not CAUSE you to go to war. YOU CHOOSE, my point is YOUR PERSONALITY, YOUR STUBBORNESS would lead to war."

Pardon me for being so rude, but you are making yourself out to be intellectually challenged! "Special" is another word. Is this what you have to resort to when you can't win? This isn't about winning, this is about having an open mind. About having a conversation. About realizing YOU ARE NOT OMNISCIENT, you don't know everything, it's possible you MIGHT be wrong. This is about dialogue, not debate. Cooperative dialogue, not win at all costs debate even if that means lying, manipulating and ignoring.

Is that possible? Is it POSSIBLE you may be incorrect in your interpretation?

 

[traderwann]

Quote from Spiker:
You see...... you're the one who said that you read a few passages from the Big Book and became the ''4th Wise Man'' .Try showing us the wisdom you gained from your experience instead of the ''i'm right you're wrong '' attitude.

I don't understand how you can say these things based on my posts. What I said was, 99% of people who criticize scripture have never read much or most of it. Everything is always taken out of context. I said I used to do this until I read parts of it for myself, had conversations with articulate people, investigated both sides objective, and read other related info. I said this showed my how I was wrong in the past. I said this almost verbatim.

See how you are twisting my words? Making them out to be very very different from what was actually said? Without twisting them, I don't think you have anything to complain about.

I am not displaying a "I'm right you are wrong attitude" because I am clearly admitting I may be wrong. This is my interpretation, here is my evidence and if you have any contrary evidence that isn't out of context and shows mine to be incorrect I would LOVE to change my mind. I have said many times I have no interested in being wrong, please just show me where I'm mistaken.

No offense, but I dare you to prove anything you actually just said. Now that being said, I would also love to share any wisdom I may have and equally receive that of other articulate people. Where exactly have I not been doing that and more importantly, HOW can I do that now that you asked?

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from traderwann:

This is about dialogue, not debate. Cooperative dialogue, not win at all costs debate even if that means lying, manipulating and ignoring.

you are wrong about that. why should i cooperate with you. if you can ask a competent question you might get an answer.
by the way quit writing such long replies. get to the point and quit rambling on.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from traderwann:

Competition, survival of the fittest has a lot to do with it. These are all choices under our control. Without these concepts, the natural human reaction is to be nice to each other, supportive, etc. War is not in human nature, it's...

Wow, is that ever so not true.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Free Thinker:

Steven Weinberg: With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

Utterly untrue.

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from Ricter:

Quote from Free Thinker:

Steven Weinberg: With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

Utterly untrue.

Utterly true.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can also make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from kut2k2:

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can also make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire

You mean like the liberals?