Crane Operators making $500K???

Quote from Lucrum:

bronks you're one of my favorite ET'ers buddy.

But I think it's unreasonable. Airline captains operating even larger infinitely more complicated equipment at 500 mph while making split second multimillion dollar life and death decisions don't make that much.
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Don't forget bus drivers, same basic job transporting people. And the bus drivers have to deal with drunk drivers, questionable passengers. Narrow roadways, road construction and they don't have any good looking stewardess to flirt with.
 
I am no fan of Unions and I live in IL, where Unions are sucking all my tax money.

But crane operation is a very intense job that requires a very degree of precision almost at the same level of a surgeon, one bad move and many people could get hurt.

So, I defend the 82 an hour pay for them. But then I have a problem with overtime, these people should not be allowed to work even a minute over 8 hours, since they should be rested. So, they demand high salary because this job requires a high degree of precision and then work crazy hours and sacrifice that precision.

I conclude that anything over 82 an hour is like screwing the tax money. No wonder everything has been outsourced. I would rather live in a society where people make good money. Thanks a lot democrats.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Don't forget bus drivers, same basic job transporting people. And the bus drivers have to deal with drunk drivers, questionable passengers. Narrow roadways, road construction and they don't have any good looking stewardess to flirt with.
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True, both pilots and bus drivers are transporting people. Aside from that though your comparison seems silly to me.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

bronks you're one of my favorite ET'ers buddy.

But I think it's unreasonable. Airline captains operating even larger infinitely more complicated equipment at 500 mph while making split second multimillion dollar life and death decisions don't make that much.
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Been off-island the past few days.

Actually I do agree with you on this, I was playing more devil's advocate than anything else. I'm kinda partial to my trade and don't like any others making more than us, lol. That being said, one of the reasons, as explained to me back in the day, for overtime premiums was to discourage employers from taking the men from their families on the weekends and to keep them from abusive rundown practices way back when. Hence the OT premiums of:

Time + 1/2 after 8 hrs and/or Saturdays
Double time after 10 hrs and/or Sundays
Triple time on selected holidays (Labor Day for example)

Now as you well know this has been flipped upside down with hands actually searching out the OT. I believe the operator in question was the gross implementation of this. And don't ask me what warrants that third guy, usually it's just the op. and the oiler.
 
Quote from Hombre:

Not a personal at all as i do not know you personally.
It was that the sheer stupidity of that statement just shocked me. How can anyone even quietly think that the crane operator could make twice as much as 80% of the world countries presidents,surgeons,pediatricians ,airline captains, university professors etc,etc.
That would be bad already but you are even more stupid and clearly you are not able to comprehend the idiocy of your thought so you've posted it..

IMO, only the very, very stupid person can say that's it reasonable.
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I get it... I'm stupid and can't understand my own thoughts.

What ever will I do????
 
Quote from bronks:

I get it... I'm stupid and can't understand my own thoughts.



What ever will I do????
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Get a job as a crane operator works tons of overtime and spend all your money at titty bars?

:)
 
Quote from J-Law:

Bronk,

Honestly.....All in the game are to blame and have to take responsibility.
Blame the CEO's, the union leadership, the city and state agencies that all set the rates and yes, blame "the hand" as well. It's their working of the system that at the end of the day it's the regular citizen who pays his taxes & whom gets fleeced. Whether it's going over budget on a municipal project or high rents due to developer construction costs that get passed on to retail rents, then on to the consumer. ...
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I think we are in agreement with this.
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As far as "the hand" goes..... Yes, a construction site can be a rough place to work filled with occupational hazards. But, no one is putting a gun to their head to do it. We all make choices in this life. & if you choose not to go to school and get an education and choose to enter into that industry, that is what you have to contend with. I have heard every violin played by every construction trade while they in the end take home more than management.
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I don't remember anybody complaining about anything 'cept how much the op. was making. As Super Chicken used to say: "Besides, you new the job was dangerous when you took it."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKss2pBYQ6Y

Quote from J-Law:

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I have worked on numerous union construction projects and have heard every crocodile tears story. & it's the same everytime. With one hand organized labor gestures and complains that they are trampled underfoot & with the other hand they systemically attempt to take over and control and dictate every portion of a project. IBEW Local 3 is king of this & in the process manipulate & hamstring productivity to their needs while still making very handsome rates.

You talk to these individual tradesmen and some of them own 2nd homes & have income properties as well as drive nice vehicles. They cry a mantra that they are taught in the union hall. It is what it is....a systematic manipulation that starts with union leadership and ends with the tradesmen. Everyone knows how it works. CM's, GC's, Design professionals, public and private clients alike.

Have the same conversation with any corporate employee anywhere in the USA & they will tell you that they do not take home paychecks like this.
The rest of the work force doesn't enjoy such benefits. Why should they?

It's unjustified. & I know as you agreed before, the system is broken.
But, I'm sure this is not what Samuel Gompers had in mind.
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Remember now there's the whole politicization of union officials and that directly affects the collective bargaining agreement. But like I said, it's a rabbit hole with so many inter connections that instead of trying to search for answers there, I've decided to treat the whole system like the market. They (the unions) are getting their ask price. Eventually, when price get's out of whack, all bids will be pulled.


Just curious, in what capacity were you in the industry J-Law? And what does it matter that the men have two homes and drive nice cars, and corporate employees don't make as much? Who are you or anyone to decide the arbitrary value of what a construction worker makes? This is America right? As of right now, until something changes, anyone is able to join the trades and make that type of wage. So it seems to me that you are the one who's complaining.


And yes, I'm in agreement with Lucrum that we can blame the Dems for this whole mess. We are told to vote blindly for the Democrats by our unions.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

Get a job as a crane operator works tons of overtime and spend all your money at titty bars?

:)
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Yeah baby!

... wait... that's just a bit stereotypical Lucs.

Sorry, gotta run and make some change for my twenties... Shania and her ping pong balls are up next.
 
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