Cramer says sell HB's 1 week before fed cut

While we getting on Cramer's case, here is one last one. He poo pooed subprime as being trivial all spring and summer and then it turned out to be the biggest story in the markets of the last 5 years.

Actually i think Cramer is good. But when you make 1000's of calls you are going to wind up looking like an idiot hundreds of times.
 
Quote from silk:

While we getting on Cramer's case, here is one last one. He poo pooed subprime as being trivial all spring and summer and then it turned out to be the biggest story in the markets of the last 5 years.

Actually i think Cramer is good. But when you make 1000's of calls you are going to wind up looking like an idiot hundreds of times.

making bad calls is one thing, but calling your audience "idiots" is quite another....

Hopefully the Fox Business channel will appeal to people with IQ's above 40
 
But BZH short interest is only 91.90%. :p

Yeah, I think you're on the right track here.

EDIT: Not trying to spoil the party, but Silk; Have you seen the news that came out on BZH after the close? Kinda ugly.

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Beazer receives notice of default from bond trustee

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Beazer Homes USA Inc (BZH.N: Quote, Profile, Research),said on Monday it has received a notice of default from the trustee of one of its convertible notes and that it has filed for a relief from a federal court that would stop trustee's action.

Beazer, whose mortgage unit is the subject of a federal investigation, said that on Friday, its received a purported default notice from U.S. Bank National Association, the trustee governing Beazer's outstanding 4 5/8 percent Convertible Senior Notes due 2024.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKWNAS377320070910?rpc=44
 
That is same news as friday when default notices were given related to a their other bonds on friday. Same thing. My understanding is its a shake down to get money out of BZH. Same thing happened to KBH last year and KBH finally paid $16 million to bondholders to get a waiver. In BZH case sounds like they have grounds to block the default notice and have sued accordingly. They also have 60 days to get the 10Q out in any event. I've been told that what is going on is hedge funds that own the bonds trying to ciruclate the bad press so they can buy more bonds and shares on the cheap. Then they create a takeover rumor or refinancing or something and they make out like bandits. BZH is not going under anytime soon.
 
Quote from silk:

Ok, i'm holding Cramer to his call he is making tonight. 1 week before the fed meeting which is expected to mark the start of the easing cycle, He is calling for the HGX to fall another 15%. I have the other side of the trade on. I'm using Cramer's own playbook (why he is ignoring it now i don't know) to own HB's when fed starts cutting rates.

Today's closing numbers so we can track them quickly in future.

CTX- $26.22 $39 book value
BZH -$ 9.45 $37 book value
KBH - $26.25 $31 book value
DHI - $13.69 $18 book value
MHO - $14.90 $41 book value
HOV - $9.99 $27 book value
MTH - $15.95 $36 book value

Sure book values will be impared 20-40% during the next few years, but book values will still be above where they were in 2001 when some of the above stocks were trading much higher than the current prices.

Take HOV for example. HOV traded $20 in may 2002 when its book value was $13. Now it trades $10 when book value is $27! Even if HOV loses another $500 milllion after tax book value will still be very high relative to current share price to start the next cycle when housing inventory normalizes.

I'm in the above stocks looking for a squeeze into November after 2 rate cuts. I'm betting there will be one week in Novemember when people are talking about the very low mortgage rates and hope for some stabilization in housing. 1 week of optimism all i need at these prices for huge SQUEEZE. If the Squeeze happens sooner than November I will gladly head for the exits.

And yes, the name of my car is Beazer Homes. Purchased with trading profits in 2002 from that name. I never lose in Bezer Homes. Not yet anyway, knock on wood.


BOOK VALUE is deceptive, they own land and real estate and god knows what thats worth and how much it will lose next quarter. You cannot value a company, based on book value alone.

Do you know what the discounted cash flow stream is worth for these turkeys?
 
Quote from daddyeaux:

Cramer was saying anyone who sells Goldman Sachs at $220 is "an idiot"....

GS now at $180 give or take...priceless


Crammer lost his shirt on GS. He owned GS and SHLD, both cost him a ton of money
 
Quote from day7793:

Crammer lost his shirt on GS. He owned GS and SHLD, both cost him a ton of money


actually, he purchased SHLD for his charitable trust long ago, at like 40? GS, he's had forever too.

so those are bad examples to use. there's plenty of terrible calls...

and don't forget, his action alerts portfolio has basically had the same results as the s&p for the 6 years which he's run it.

THAT'S the key takeaway.
 
Well Silk, since I happen to know that you're one of the most successful traders on ET, plus your reasoning makes sense;
I bought 11,000 shares of Beavis Homes today in my long term/investment account. Good luck to us...
 
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