Cramer says $125, Jim Jubak says $180!!!!!

Quote from bob83:

i think eventually people have an 'eureka' type moment where they realize that all these company's business plans are modeled on gas at 40 $ a barrel, and that at 3, 4, or 5 times the cost models can fail.


Thats why I hope you guys own good dividend paying oil stocks as a hedge.
 
Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

Well think about it. Americans buy more and more SUV's even with record gas prices I see more SUVs not less on the street. This to me indicates that gasoline and oil are still cheap for american consumers. American consumers love to cry poor but still pony up for gas at todays price and still drive those big honking SUVS.

With india in the next 10 years buying cars from Tata, and China beginning to purchase more automobiles I see oil hitting 200 a barrel down the line in the future.

The number of SUV's you see will decline, but this is a multi year phenomenon. It's too soon to notice a decrease on the streets. Believe me though, GM notices.

From a traders or investors point of view, timing is important. Jubak is one of the smartest prognosticators of future trends, but his timing can easily be off the mark.

When you see the dollar strengthening you will see crude declining. The dollar is back to about 104 vs. the Yen. That is promising. I'm expecting crude to take a breather about where it is and maybe pull back a little. We know demand is increasing world-wide, but not nearly so fast as price. The key is the Fed and the dollar. Further dollar weakness in the near term, and we will see further crude increases in the near term. A strengthening dollar, and we will see crude moderate. Remember that for the Europeans crude is ~Euro 70 a barrel. And certainly one can't ignore the immediate effect of futures speculation, but there is a finite amount of oil storage capacity worldwide.

I wouldn't hazard a guess on what the dollar would do from here, but i suppose it depends on how much the Fed and Treasury feels the need to pump the market further to keep investors psychology on the upbeat side versus how much pressure they are feeling from inflation. (They are still looking through rose tinted glasses using their phoney "core" inflation figure, but the public, who hasn't a clue, could become restive.) But the dollar, in the short run , is key --not demand growth, that is a longer term factor. (Naturally, shifts in current demand and supply do add volatility.)

Should the dollar strengthen over the summer, along with gas prices rising to 4.00 to 4.50 range, then i think we can see a return to more typical refiner margins.

For the record, I'm taking a little crude off the table about here, because i see signs of the dollar strengthening a bit. If crude continues to soar non-stop, so be it. If it pulls back, i'll be right back in.
 
Quote from Triple X:

Speculation is what is driving this, and the dollar collapse. The CEO of Exxon and Saudi Oil ministers have both blamed speculation for this runup. It is the hedgefunds and pension funds doing this.

There was an article in NY Times today about how speculation in Ag futures by big money is like a "tidal wave" and they are actually buying more contracts than there is physical product! Farmers are actually buying private insurance instead of using futures contracts to hedge. I think the same thing is happening here, big money is buying oil futures contracts.

I never understood this argument: with futures you always have someone on both sides of the trade...
 
Quote from S2007S:





Why oil could hit $180 a barrel

Just when crude is becoming more costly to extract "

That info is not correct...it doesn't cost anymore than last year or the year before to extract oil
 
Quote from gobar:

what oil 119.89

wow

man this is getting crazy,,,,,,

:confused:


its going to get impossible for the economy to keep up with the prices of oil, it cost me nearly $50.00 to fill up my car yesterday....

suvs are probably costing $125....
 
Does anyone know what is RBOB Gasoline. Is it another name of the gas that is put in the cars or something is added to RBOB at the supply hub.
 
Exactly, and we're getting tired of repeating ourselves, but first priority is the national debt and the pocket books of people in the financial industry. And pumping money helps keep those pockets lined and makes paying the debt off easier.

Quote from S2007S:

The dollar collapse has added probably about 40-50% of the gains in oil over the last 1-2 years, everyone was happy for those rate cuts back in the end of 2007 but you can now see what those rate cuts have done, its the worst thing bernanke could have done to this economy, anymore rate cuts and oil could easily surge to 130+....until they find a way to prop the dollar back up oil will most likely continue to climb.....
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I never understood this argument: with futures you always have someone on both sides of the trade...

It's relatively simple. If you're speculating that crude is going to go higher you sell a contract to deliver in the future at a higher price. In that case you better buy some oil at the current spot price and store it so you can meet your obligation to deliver. Of course this kind of speculation causes production to be stored, and thus removed from the current market, helping to drive price higher, or so you hope. When the contract subsequently changes hands it still, supposedly, is backed by an underlying tank of crude somewhere.
 
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