COVID-19

WeToddDid2 said:
No, I didn't say that. But, since you putting words in my mouth I will explain. What should be determined and documented is the primary cause of death.

Again I will ask the question the following question:

If someone was shot 15 times and they also tested positive for Covid-19, is the cause of death covid-19?

My primary point is the data completely sucks. Therefore, the statistics wrt to covid-19 suck as well.

If that is not correct, simply show me reliable data that demostrates that the primary cause of death was covid-19 for all of the 194 mentioned in the article.


That illustrates my point. The counter to that is would the person have died without contracting covid-19? BTW - You are making a major assumption in that statement. What I am asking is for that to be delineated in the data. It is not delineated and therefore the data is crap.
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Since in the U.S. a person cannot be counted as COVID-19 death unless the displayed symptoms of COVID-19 including pneumonia --- a person shot 15 times would not be a COVID-19 death.

The statistics in the U.S. only suck from the perspective that we are under-counting COVID-19 deaths. A common problem in pandemics.
 
gwb-trading said:
The statistics in the U.S. only suck from the perspective that we are under-counting COVID-19 deaths.
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Well, take a look at the below article. This article answers my question in Colorado at least and it looks like my speculation was correct. Colorado just lowered their death count by nearly 25% due to specifically my previous questions and arguments.

https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/f...h-department-changes-fatality-categorization/

DENVER (KDVR) — Nearly 300 fewer people have died directly from COVID-19 in Colorado than originally reported, after the Colorado Department of Health and Environment changed the death statistics Friday.

CDPHE now reports that as of May 9, 878 people had died “due to” COVID-19 and 1,150 people have died “among” COVID-19 cases.

“We have been reporting at the state, deaths among people who had COVID-19 at the time of death and the cause of that death may or may not have been COVID-19,” Dr. Eric France, CDPHE’s chief medical officer said Friday.

“We started to hear stories about ‘are these correct or are these incorrect?'” France said.

One of those stories came from Montezuma County this week. The county coroner said a man who had COVID -19 died from “ethanol toxicity” – basically, alcohol poisoning. The coroner said the state, however, classified the death as coronavirus-related.

France also said the death discrepancy was in part because of how the state reports statistics to the federal National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System.

“Having these two systems in place has potentially created some confusion and we apologize for that,” said Dr. Rachel Herlihy, state epidemiologist.
 
next move: Throw experts & minorities under the bus:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/politics/trump-us-death-toll-blame-reopen/index.html
Trump officials deflect blame for US death toll, escalate reopening push

(CNN)Two of President Donald Trump's top officials are now pointing the finger at the administration's own scientists and Americans' pre-existing health conditions to explain the country's world-leading Covid-19 death toll.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar suggested Sunday that underlying health conditions, including among minorities, were one reason for the high American death toll -- nearly 90,000 as of Sunday evening. And Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro added the government's own Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to its list of scapegoats alongside China and the Obama administration.

The White House has been escalating its effort to recast the narrative of its own chaotic response to the crisis as it aggressively pushes to reopen the country, a process vital to the fortunes of millions of people who have lost their jobs in lockdowns and its own political prospects in November.
 
Here4money said:
next move: Throw experts & minorities under the bus:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/politics/trump-us-death-toll-blame-reopen/index.html
Trump officials deflect blame for US death toll, escalate reopening push

(CNN)Two of President Donald Trump's top officials are now pointing the finger at the administration's own scientists and Americans' pre-existing health conditions to explain the country's world-leading Covid-19 death toll.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar suggested Sunday that underlying health conditions, including among minorities, were one reason for the high American death toll -- nearly 90,000 as of Sunday evening. And Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro added the government's own Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to its list of scapegoats alongside China and the Obama administration.

The White House has been escalating its effort to recast the narrative of its own chaotic response to the crisis as it aggressively pushes to reopen the country, a process vital to the fortunes of millions of people who have lost their jobs in lockdowns and its own political prospects in November.
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Spin the wheel -- who to blame next to deflect the blame.
 
Let's see what happens when a country has no lock-downs and its President ignores the virus...

Coronavirus: Hospitals in Brazil's São Paulo 'near collapse'
BBC - https://tinyurl.com/yc8ufws3

The mayor of Brazil's largest city, São Paulo, has said its health system could collapse as demand grows for emergency beds to deal with coronavirus cases.

Bruno Covas said the city's public hospitals had reached 90% capacity and could run out of space in two weeks.

He accused those who flouted lockdown rules of playing "Russian roulette" with people's lives.

São Paulo is one of the country's worst-hit regions, with almost 3,000 deaths so far.

Brazil's far-right president Jair Bolsonaro has been strongly criticised both at home and abroad for his handling of the country's escalating coronavirus crisis.

He defied global health advice on social distancing on Sunday when he posed for photographs with supporters and children in the capital, Brasília.

On Saturday, Brazil overtook Spain and Italy to become the country with the fourth-largest number of infections.

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