could they actually ban ultra etfs?

Sounds like you are quoting Cramer. Its not that easy - Jim Cramer is just trying to push his own agenda which is total BS and he should be put in jail for manipulating the way he does.

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The SKF is at times responsible for 20 to 30% of the underlying stocks trading volume for the day because it has to clean up the books on the swaps by the close. Therefore, big money can game the move because they know what the managers managing the moves of the SKF (and UYG and others) have to be by the end of the day. They are adding massive volatility to the financial sector which is at the root of our issues. The SKF isn't so much a problem in normal times, but these aren't normal - and the moves it is causing in the underlying stocks are pissing the big money off. Which is why they very well may be banned.

SKF are totally daytrading instruments though most aren't aware of it. If there were you'd never hold the instrument overnight because the only thing it is designed to do it to track intraday performance x2. This too, is also fine most of the time. But I think it's really starting to wear some big money out, and the big money has the connections to do what it wants.
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i've seen a few people on yahoo who say that the 2x and 3x etfs might get banned. do you think it would actually happen? i also found this link where cramer urges the sec to ban skf - http://www.cnbc.com/id/29016503
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Sure it could happen. If the mkt. goes down far enough, the pols will need a scapegoat. The leveraged ETFs won't be the only thing banned...
 
i trade horizon beta pro...most who trade are, by far, institutions and financial advisors. Lots of money to be made here as this and most other employ an options/futures stratedgy.

The volatitity was higher in 1987 than it has been recently if you use the VIX.

To me, Cramer is a negative indicator...he is a comedy show you watch after a few beers.

Remember his call on Bear?
 
this is the reality check. if goldman wants its banned it will be banned. if goldman has a reason for its continued existence it will continue.
 
the gov't bans smoking pot, man the gov't can ban anything.

you know what a i mean. if the powers to be want the market to go up they will make it go up.

market manipulation isn't illegal.

trading in the financial markets is not a right but a 'PRIVILLEGE'



Quote from jessica:

i've seen a few people on yahoo who say that the 2x and 3x etfs might get banned. do you think it would actually happen? i also found this link where cramer urges the sec to ban skf - http://www.cnbc.com/id/29016503
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market manipulation is illegal if it's harmful to the market.

margins are the market for a reason. you need capital to short or it's free money for institutional shorts. like you need money to go long.

shorting sucks liquidity from the market. liquidity is what the market doesn't have. the float or market is so small it doesn't take a lot of money short stocks or keeps stocks down.





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the gov't bans smoking pot, man the gov't can ban anything.

you know what a i mean. if the powers to be want the market to go up they will make it go up.

market manipulation isn't illegal.

trading in the financial markets is not a right but a 'PRIVILLEGE'
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iwith enough capital ,anyone can control the price or what you call market manipulation. market makers or brokers have one advantage they can short naked or get shares from the company to sell more so shorting is a lot easier to make money


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market manipulation is illegal if it's harmful to the market.

margins are the market for a reason. you need capital to short or it's free money for institutional shorts. like you need money to go long.

shorting sucks liquidity from the market. liquidity is what the market doesn't have. the float or market is so small it doesn't take a lot of money short stocks or keeps stocks down.
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Quote from tradersboredom:

market manipulation is illegal if it's harmful to the market.

margins are the market for a reason. you need capital to short or it's free money for institutional shorts. like you need money to go long.

shorting sucks liquidity from the market. liquidity is what the market doesn't have. the float or market is so small it doesn't take a lot of money short stocks or keeps stocks down.
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ETFs have nothing to do with market manipulation. As people take both long and short positions in all ultra ETFs any argument against them is baseless. If SEC moves to ban these instruments it's the beginning of the end of the free markets in the US.
 
man, the gov't regulators could force all short positions to cover. and no margin in shorting.




Quote from jessica:

i've seen a few people on yahoo who say that the 2x and 3x etfs might get banned. do you think it would actually happen? i also found this link where cramer urges the sec to ban skf - http://www.cnbc.com/id/29016503
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Hopefully those stupid F***** things are banned.

SO people with sufficient capital will trade the futures instead.

"NOW THERE'S AN ETF DESIGNED TO RISE WHEN OIL FALLS....THE INVERSE OIL ETF!"

It's F&&&&&&& retarded.

Don't you guys get it?

Just trade the futures if you're suitable.

If you're not suitable stick with NO leverage. Why not? B/c you're not suitable!

Actually, I'm fibbing...I don't like excessive, capricious regulation.

Some of these etfs ARE quite dumb though.

=-=Anonymous Futures trader!
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