Could bitcoin become the next Swiss bank account?

[NeoTrader]

Says the 21 year old who's never run anything

As I once saw another poster here cleverly say to another: "Are you trying to make me tell you to go fuck yourself?"

As I said it before: learn to argue like an adult. You act like a child, whose only attitude when confronted with logic is to start babbling nonsense about something you have no idea. You don't know anything about me and if you aren't capable of argueing against my ideas with reasonable arguments and keep trying to change the subject to me, it is better just to shut up and stop embarassing yourself.

 

[Sig]

As I once saw another poster here cleverly say to another: "Are you trying to make me tell you to go fuck yourself?"

As I said it before: learn to argue like an adult. You act like a child, whose only attitude when confronted with logic is to start babbling nonsense about something you have no idea. You don't know anything about me and if you aren't capable of argueing against my ideas with reasonable arguments and keep trying to change the subject to me, it is better just to shut up and stop embarassing yourself.

So first off, you're doing a great job describing yourself. And here's some logic for you. I worked for 20 years in government. It's damn hard to make policy given the competing priorities and limited resources. I worked with a number of fine people, many of whom have proven their intelligence and hard work by successfully starting companies and non-profits after they left government. And yet according to you, everyone in government is a "peanut brain", with absolutely none of your precious "logic" to back up that assertion. If you have any experience in government, or any clue what you're talking about, I'm happy to have a logical discussion with you. In fact I've been doing pretty much nothing but making logical arguments to which you either cry or post nonsense. It's crystal clear that you are a bright young guy who thinks he knows everything. Most of us here were exactly like you once, so you're not fooling anyone. Again, if you're going to slander an entire group of hard working folks, you better have accomplished something of your own. You've been remarkably resistant to sharing what that would be, please, let us know what you've built and what experiences you've had to make such arrogant pronouncements?

 

[NeoTrader]

I worked for 20 years in government.

That explains a lot of your lack of arguments... Having doing nothing of value for so many years can really trump one's own judgment. "Making policies" is completely useless, people like you are the ones responsable for most of the problems today. Here is a text from Free To Choose, by Milton Friedman to illustrate my point:
"The high-level bureaucrats who have been assigned these functions cannot imagine that the reports they write or receive, the meetings they attend, the lengthy discussions they hold with other important people, the rules and regulations they issue—that all these are the problem rather than the solution. They inevitably become persuaded that they are indispensable, that they know more about what should be done than uninformed voters or self-interested businessmen."

There are no "hard working folks" in government and the ones that are, leave it soon enough. People want to work for government precisely because they don't want to work and take risks. That's what makes them mediocre.

I began working for government. But the inneficiency, the lack of motivation from almost everyone else, the corruption, the lazyness and all the things that are inherent of government because of lack of competition made me get out and be in the private sector in less then 2 years, and I never looked back. When in government, either you choose to go with it and become a lazy useless moron like them, or you leave.

And the ones that leave government after many years, are people like that crook that created all the bullshit legislation over bitcoin in NY and then opened a company to "help people to do compliance with the rules that he himself created".

 

[Sig]

That explains a lot of your lack of arguments... Having doing nothing of value for so many years can really trump one's own judgment. "Making policies" is completely useless, people like you are the ones responsable for most of the problems today. Here is a text from Free To Choose, by Milton Friedman to illustrate my point:
"The high-level bureaucrats who have been assigned these functions cannot imagine that the reports they write or receive, the meetings they attend, the lengthy discussions they hold with other important people, the rules and regulations they issue—that all these are the problem rather than the solution. They inevitably become persuaded that they are indispensable, that they know more about what should be done than uninformed voters or self-interested businessmen."

There are no "hard working folks" in government and the ones that are, leave it soon enough. People want to work for government precisely because they don't want to work and take risks. That's what makes them mediocre.

I began working for government. But the inneficiency, the lack of motivation from almost everyone else, the corruption, the lazyness and all the things that are inherent of government because of lack of competition made me get out and be in the private sector in less then 2 years, and I never looked back. When in government, either you choose to go with it and become a lazy useless moron like them, or you leave.

And the ones that leave government after many years, are people like that crook that created all the bullshit legislation over bitcoin in NY and then opened a company to "help people to do compliance with the rules that he himself created".

Well given that I've started 2 successful companies post service and you've accomplished jack, I'd say your "childish" "personal attack" on me is pretty juvenile and displays a level of ignorant arrogance that as I said, I too had at your age. (and yes, it's clear you haven't don't anything significant). The kind of arrogance that says "there are no hard working folks in government", which is pretty omnipotent of you and not at all "logical", don't you think? Are there lazy, mediocre folks in government, sure. I pretty routinely put in 60-70 hour weeks when I worked in government and I had lot's of company. In fact on deployments all of us were pretty much 24/7, if we weren't working we were eating, shitting, or sleeping. Is that your idea of lazy? I work far less now running a company than I did in government, and it turns out it's far easier to start and run a successful company then working in government with the difficulty that is simply inherent in what government has to do. Like I said, there are plenty of us out there that put in 10-20 years in government and have successfully started companies and non-profits unrelated to government or our government work. It's called public service, some of us care about service even if you don't.

Not sure where you worked, sounds like a local or maybe state level government with the corruption comment since corruption is pretty rare in the federal govt and easy to report (you did report it, right?). You very well could have been surrounded by incompetent and lazy folks, although in my experience for smart motivated people that just meant faster promotion for me and the ability to "lead from behind" since lazy superiors are happy to have you do their work for them. If you truly worked in a policy position in government, you know that everything about it is simply hard and it's not someones fault or because everyone is a "peanut brain". At the federal level, everything that can be contracted out to the private sector, essentially all the easy stuff, is (You are familiar with A-76, right?). What's left is the inherently governmental work, which is inherently not profitable, not easy to do, and not amenable to the best business practices of the for-profit world. I know, I went to a pretty good business school with the idea that I could bring those best practices back to government and while I had some success most of it just wasn't applicable to inherently governmental functions. There are certainly some "peanut brains" out there, one of them is sitting in the White House imo, but the vast majority of senior civil servants don't fit that description in any way shape or form in my experience.

 

[NeoTrader]

Well given that I've started 2 successful companies post service and you've accomplished jack,

It's my word against yours. I can simply call BS on this...(not that is would matter, since your personal life and experiences are completely irrelevant to the discussion) Just like you can on your side.... That's why personal discussions are worthless. You insist in this because you can't argue with logic and ideas. You simply talk about your government friends, which is obviously a skewed opinion. And like all opinions, worthless and prove nothing. That's why there is the saying:"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

I'd say your "childish" "personal attack" on me is pretty juvenile and displays a level of ignorant arrogance that as I said, I too had at your age. (and yes, it's clear you haven't don't anything significant).

It wasn't an attack on you, I was merely making a point about the inherent characteristics of government "work", just as in the segment of Free To Choose, by Milton Friedman I showed you. That is not a personal attack on anyone. It is his idea of the system itself(same as mine).

corruption is pretty rare in the federal govt

WTF??? Is this a joke? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk In what world do you live in? LOL

 

[Sig]

It's my word against yours. I can simply call BS on this...(not that is would matter, since your personal life and experiences are completely irrelevant to the discussion) Just like you can on your side.... That's why personal discussions are worthless. You insist in this because you can't argue with logic and ideas. You simply talk about your government friends, which is obviously a skewed opinion. And like all opinions, worthless and prove nothing. That's why there is the saying:"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

It wasn't an attack on you, I was merely making a point about the inherent characteristics of government "work", just as in the segment of Free To Choose, by Milton Friedman I showed you. That is not a personal attack on anyone. It is his idea of the system itself(same as mine).

WTF??? Is this a joke? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk In what world do you live in? LOL

If "That explains a lot of your lack of arguments... Having doing nothing of value for so many years can really trump one's own judgment." isn't a personal attack I don't know what is!

I'm happy to have you down to my office any day, just PM me and we can set up a time. I think I already offered this and as expected you weaseled out of it, easy to be a tough guy behind an anonymous account. If you're going to slander every government employee then my experience working in government vice your lack thereof is absolutely relevant. In 20 years, transferring every 2-3 years, I saw the work of several thousand people in various capacities, so that's a decent sample size. Certainly still anecdotal, but then coming from the guy who decided that literally everyone in government is a "peanut brain"....glass houses, rocks and all that. It is absolutely relevant that you're young and have no experience doing tough things like running government, and yet throw out completely unsupported assertions about it. According to your "experience is pointless, the world is pure logic" logic, an astronaut's experience is the space station when discussing life in space is irrelevant if you've read a lot about it, and I bet you'd argue that with an actual astronaut! The only people who argue that experience isn't relevant are those with no experience, so you're calling yourself out loud and clear. It's absolutely relevant when you claim everyone in government is lazy and stupid if I point out a number of examples of people who are objectively not lazy or stupid. And it's absolutely relevant that you're an armchair quarterback with no experience criticizing the people who spent years sometimes literally in the trenches. Again that's the special kind of arrogance of a young, smart guy with no experience. It sounds like you haven't figured it out yet, but most people think you're a jackass when you armchair warrior, and the smarter you think you are the more of a jackass you are. And you're even more of a jackass when you fancy yourself some kind of Mr. Spock logic while you respond to logical arguments with personal attacks and random meaningless aphorisms, while throwing out completely unsupported and unsupportable slander about groups of thousands of people and call counterexamples the sign of a small mind (seriously? pot this is kettle!).

BTW, I'd be genuinely curious to hear the specific example of corruption you witnessed. Or any examples of widespread career (not political appointees) federal civil service corruption that wasn't reported and punished? Because honestly half the onerous rules that make it so hard to run government are specifically there to prevent you from so much as claiming an extra $5 for parking on your travel claim, let alone allow actual corruption.

 

[NeoTrader]

If "That explains a lot of your lack of arguments... Having doing nothing of value for so many years can really trump one's own judgment." isn't a personal attack I don't know what is!

You seem to be having a hard time grasping the idea. Here, read what Milton Friedman wrote again, I simply said the same thing with other words, and since you worked for government, especially in "policy making", yes, it applies to you too:
"The high-level bureaucrats who have been assigned these functions cannot imagine that the reports they write or receive, the meetings they attend, the lengthy discussions they hold with other important people, the rules and regulations they issue—that all these are the problem rather than the solution. They inevitably become persuaded that they are indispensable, that they know more about what should be done than uninformed voters or self-interested businessmen."

I'm happy to have you down to my office any day, just PM me and we can set up a time. I think I already offered this and as expected you weaseled out of it, easy to be a tough guy behind an anonymous account. If you're going to slander every government employee then my experience working in government vice your lack thereof is absolutely relevant.

I've already told you: I don't give a shit about your personal life. It is irrelevant to the discussion. It's one opinion against the other. Let's discuss ideas and we might get somewhere.

completely unsupported assertions about it

I have all the support possible. There isn't one government managed or regulated provided "service" that can even begin to compare to any private equivalent.
Fedex, DHL VS US Post office
Public school vs charter/private schools
Taxis vs car sharing apps
Public hospitals vs private hospitals
And the list could go on and on...
There is simply no comparison between anything managed by bureaucrats who stand to lose nothing and enterpreneurs that risk their own money on an equivalent business. Each and every attempt from bureaucrats to regulate/manage anything results in bad services at high prices. If you want serious and specific evidence, you can read Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, Friedrich Hayek or if you want something more entertaining and less technical, you can simply watch John Stossel's shows on youtube. But, who am I kidding? What does the work of these people, much wiser, older and experienced than you mean to you compared to your little bureaucrat friends?

 

[misterkel]

The anonimity of a Swiss bank account was cancelled under heavy international pressure. The same will happen sooner or later with crypto's too.

That's not possible - Bitcoin is a self-perpetuating system. Unless the govs all got together and outlawed running Bitcoin nodes and successfully shut them down, then the way BTC and other cryptos runs cannot be changed by government regulations.

 

[schweiz]

That's not possible - Bitcoin is a self-perpetuating system. Unless the govs all got together and outlawed running Bitcoin nodes and successfully shut them down, then the way BTC and other cryptos runs cannot be changed by government regulations.

NOTHING is impossible. If it would be impossible, markets would not react as nervous as the do.
Sometimes on the smallest rumour bitcoins drops significantly.

The TITANIC could NEVER sink, they told.

On the day it sailed, the President of White Lines, the ship's owner, announced on worldwide Radio,"Not even God can sink this ship"
Oh, Really?

 

[Cuddles]

NOTHING is impossible. If it would be impossible, markets would not react as nervous as the do.
Sometimes on the smallest rumour bitcoins drops significantly.

The TITANIC could NEVER sink, they told.

On the day it sailed, the President of White Lines, the ship's owner, announced on worldwide Radio,"Not even God can sink this ship"
Oh, Really?

Bro, they can't even shut down the pirate Bay, and they live off donations