So jem, do you still think that man has not caused the rapid rise in CO2 just as the industrial revolution started? Yes or no.
Correction... 2015 was not the warmest year
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...... then as you've just done yet again, reflexively disregard any peers that have scientifically reviewed and scientifically refuted and scientifically dismissed those so called answers , with...
"I think..."
"there could be..."
"may be..."
You don't have any peer reviewed science supporting your claim that man made co2 doesn't cause warming.
There are no published scientifically peer reviewed papers, where peer reviewers can scientifically support claims that reject human-caused global warming. That's because scientifically, it isn't possible to refute human-caused global warming.
Whereas there are shitloads of published peer reviewed papers that layout the scientific case for human-caused global warming which peer reviewers have not been able to scientifically refute.
Denial, rhetoric, misguided argument and personal opinion you have plenty. But science you have not.
How to Spot a Climate Alarmist Article on the Oceans
All climate alarmist articles on the oceans always have two themes:
and yes, of course, we have another winner.
Study: Man-made heat put in oceans has doubled since 1997
http://www.wral.com/study-man-made-heat-put-in-oceans-has-doubled-since-1997/15247524/
All climate alarmist articles on the oceans always have two themes:
- Always talking about zettajoules of energy but never mentioning ocean temperature increase (which is only 0.06 degrees over 50 years).
- Always comparing the heat content to a number of atomic bombs.
and yes, of course, we have another winner.
Study: Man-made heat put in oceans has doubled since 1997
http://www.wral.com/study-man-made-heat-put-in-oceans-has-doubled-since-1997/15247524/
Of course the reality is different when the actual data is properly studied.... Let's see what NASA says.
NASA Study Finds Earth's Ocean Abyss Has Not Warmed
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4321
what a load of excrement you just posted Stu... as usual.
1. first of all I don't claim man made co2 does not cause warming. So you should retract your b.s. about what my position is. And, you should post an apology for being so dishonest.
2. I have reviewed what you have presented. I did not reflexively disregarded it.
I reviewed the abstracts you presented and pointed out that one comment was foolish on its face and I pointed out issues with the others. I then asked for you to present the papers, if you wish to discuss them further since they were behind pay walls.
Back to the first point...
Its not our sides position that man made co2 does not cause warming. Our sides says we know the sun and the tides and natural mechanisms have caused the earth to cycle in the past... so we need to see science showing man made co2 is causing warming now. The problem is, is that there is no peer science produced by anyone showing man made co2 causes warming.
you know that... therefore you entire post is a troll.
finally... your second to last sentence sure seems like a massive misdirection tantamount to a lie. But, I have played this game with you in the past.
So... lets make this simple. Show us 10 papers from this "shitloads" of science showing that man made co2 is causing warming in our atmosphere. Note... if you are going to use models... please show the models working on real time data.
Guess what... you are not going to produce shitloads... you probably are even going to produce shit other than more words... and the same detrititus you typical post. All garbage from your imagination and no links to real science.
1. first of all I don't claim man made co2 does not cause warming. So you should retract your b.s. about what my position is. And, you should post an apology for being so dishonest.
2. I have reviewed what you have presented. I did not reflexively disregarded it.
I reviewed the abstracts you presented and pointed out that one comment was foolish on its face and I pointed out issues with the others. I then asked for you to present the papers, if you wish to discuss them further since they were behind pay walls.
Back to the first point...
Its not our sides position that man made co2 does not cause warming. Our sides says we know the sun and the tides and natural mechanisms have caused the earth to cycle in the past... so we need to see science showing man made co2 is causing warming now. The problem is, is that there is no peer science produced by anyone showing man made co2 causes warming.
you know that... therefore you entire post is a troll.
finally... your second to last sentence sure seems like a massive misdirection tantamount to a lie. But, I have played this game with you in the past.
So... lets make this simple. Show us 10 papers from this "shitloads" of science showing that man made co2 is causing warming in our atmosphere. Note... if you are going to use models... please show the models working on real time data.
Guess what... you are not going to produce shitloads... you probably are even going to produce shit other than more words... and the same detrititus you typical post. All garbage from your imagination and no links to real science.
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So what? You STILL don't know the difference between the deep abyss and the waters above 5000 meters?
Of course you do. You just want to lie. You're just another pos denier liar. Do you always lie this much? Are you a lawyer also? Or maybe just a good right wing sheep.
Your graphs seem to be taking recent instrument data and grafting it onto proxy data.
Most likely you are taking ice core samples up until the Mauna Loa data started in the 50s and then showing the Mauna Loa.
We know that most of that data is proxy data. We really don't know the actual co2 level back then. Therefore, some some of the rise may be due to the ambiguities which come about from the fact gas migrates in the ice core and the fact that scientists have to sort of guesstimate levels. And yes some of the rise is probably due to the fact our oceans are warming. Some of the recent rise could be man made co2 but the data does not really support that conclusion.
Analogy
If you fill a bath tub with enough fresh water to overflow. And then you add in 5% more saltwater. You can't really say the salt water caused the bathtub to overflow.
The earth produces a lot of co2. man now creates some too. The level of our co2 could be set by change in ocean temp... with the excess co2 being absorbed by sinks or outgassed by the earth to space. Therefore you can't say man caused the rise in co2. There may be some mechanism such as change in ocean temps which sets the level.
I know thinking in systems is not your strong point... but keep trying. You and Stu may eventually see the problem with your position.
Your side produces no science saying man made co2 causes warming... so therefore you all make some silly assumptions.
Most likely you are taking ice core samples up until the Mauna Loa data started in the 50s and then showing the Mauna Loa.
We know that most of that data is proxy data. We really don't know the actual co2 level back then. Therefore, some some of the rise may be due to the ambiguities which come about from the fact gas migrates in the ice core and the fact that scientists have to sort of guesstimate levels. And yes some of the rise is probably due to the fact our oceans are warming. Some of the recent rise could be man made co2 but the data does not really support that conclusion.
Analogy
If you fill a bath tub with enough fresh water to overflow. And then you add in 5% more saltwater. You can't really say the salt water caused the bathtub to overflow.
The earth produces a lot of co2. man now creates some too. The level of our co2 could be set by change in ocean temp... with the excess co2 being absorbed by sinks or outgassed by the earth to space. Therefore you can't say man caused the rise in co2. There may be some mechanism such as change in ocean temps which sets the level.
I know thinking in systems is not your strong point... but keep trying. You and Stu may eventually see the problem with your position.
Your side produces no science saying man made co2 causes warming... so therefore you all make some silly assumptions.
So according to you, this sudden rise of CO2 in the last two hundred years is due to a rise in ocean temps. Is that right? Is that what you think the science is saying?
Wow jem, you should write peer reviewed article about how their CO2 measurements are wrong. I am sure they would to see what a crazed Lintardarian has to say about science denial.
So let's be clear about just how insane/stupid and or a liar you are. You think that the sudden rise in CO2 is not due to man.
So let's be clear about just how insane/stupid and or a liar you are. You think that the sudden rise in CO2 is not due to man.