Coronavirus: Boris Johnson moved to intensive care as symptoms worsen

virtusa said:
Mass behavior like in stock markets and like people buying huge amounts of toiletpaper.
Proof that they understand nothing and react because their neighbor reacts.
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Actually there is a real residential toilet paper shortage that would exist even if no-one was hoarding. In normal times, half the toilet paper used is at work or some other commercial establishment outside the home. It turns out that toilet paper has a completely different supply chain and comes in a completely different form, mainly large rolls. And it's not easy to switch overnight. In fact one of the biggest suppliers for the commercial market doesn't even sell at all to the residential market.
So we have plenty of toilet paper, it's just in big commercial rolls. You can actually back this up by going to Amazon, you can buy as many of those big rolls as you want today. We just don't have enough residential toilet paper, because we're using nearly twice as much of it as we were, and the switch happened literally overnight.
Perhaps proof that often the "obvious" answer isn't the right answer, and digging a little deeper when you see something irrational is a better path then assuming the worst about our fellow man.
 
I live in Europe in an area that was hit very hard and in the warehouse where we buy all our food there has never been any shortage of toiletpaper. On the news they showed a distribution center where there were still millions of packages (with 6 rolls in a package) available. As we were already in lockdown, nobody could s***t at work. I have never seen big rolls at work, we probably use everywhere the same size.
 
gaussian said:
In the category of "malicious actions leading to the deaths of innumerable thousands" I think Winnie the Pooh, the WHO, and their merry band communist sympathizers can take 100% of the blame for this - thanks.

We can accuse western leaders of incompetence, but not a single leader outside of China is responsible for this. It could've been contained to China had China not lied and used WHO in order to deceive the PLANET on the scope and effect of this virus. Hell Taiwan was ahead of the curve and they were PURPOSEFULLY excluded from being aware of the trouble brewing a few hundred miles from them. Let's not even talk about the possibility of it being a "whoopsie" from the nearby BSL-4 laboratory in Wuhan.

Consider that by the time western nations had the ability to act people from Wuhan were already flying to Chinese hotspots like the western US, NYC, UK, India, and Australia.

China can bear 100% of blame for this virus. Lying about it is par for the course. They lie about their economics, they disappear doctors, they send ethnic minorities to death camps, steal PPE from other countries, and they disappear citizens. Hell, do we even know if China is a real country? They probably lie about that too.
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Their lie was up by January. Western leaders fucked up big time. China lied to the world for two weeks, our own leaders have been lying to us for months.
 
Picaso said:
His pregnant girlfriend also has it.
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Would you help her out??

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FrankInLa said:
He deserves to die. He cost many others their lives with his stubborn refusal to act early on in this crisis.
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That's actually wrong, he was right, the measures would of only started kicking in yesterday and the UK peaked weekend before ( they changed reporting method WHO Rules for everyone ) which then made it look worse.

Had he of done NOTHING AT ALL, not wasted Billion, put millions out of jobs, not bankrupted many companys, we'd literally be exactly where we are today, all for nothing.

See in the UK unlike Italy, there aren't that many old people with health issues alive anyway because the NHS is massively underfunded and shit by this tosspot, they've all died.

Italy sucks, they looked after there old well, just for this to come undo all of there good work :(
 
Sig said:
Probably time to get off our high horse as well. The U.S. lie's, cheats, and steals every chance we get as well. I mean hell, at least China didn't invade anyone and put their country into decades of civil war because of some fabricated claim about weapons of mass destruction in the last 20 years!
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This is frankly ridiculous. Have you seen what they've been doing to Taiwan? Hong Kong? The Uighurs? What about Tienanmen Square? How about the actions by the PLA's APT unit? What about all of the spy equipment they are putting in hardware they ship around the world?

This is borderline chicom sympathy what you're writing here. The US may be bad but on the scale of "atrocities committed to innocent humans" China is the current world leader. Seconded by only Saudi Arabia and North Korea.
 
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gaussian said:
This is frankly ridiculous. Have you seen what they've been doing to Taiwan? Hong Kong? The Uighurs? What about Tienanmen Square? How about the actions by the PLA's APT unit? What about all of the spy equipment they are putting in hardware they ship around the world?

This is borderline chicom sympathy what you're writing here. The US may be bad but on the scale of "atrocities committed to innocent humans" China is the current world leader. Seconded by only Saudi Arabia and North Korea.
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How many people died in all the actions you listed together, sum total? Hundreds? How many people died in Iraq since the U.S. invaded directly attributable to the invasion and resultant failed state? About 500,000. Not even in the same order of magnitude. And spy equipment? Please, the U.S. has centimeter coverage of any spot on entire earth in all bandwidths from space AND we've tapped pretty much every undersea cable plus we have a massive organization at NSA sifting through it all. We've got China beat by a mile when it comes to worldwide surveillance.

Am I apologizing for China, hell no. Am I able to see the world from the perspective of others and use that ability to determine how they will react? I do my best. I served my country for more than 20 years, I think I earned the right to point out some of the awful shit that's done in our name and in some cases that we force our servicemen and women to do. To ignore that is to be an apologist, sorry. But even if you want to ignore it, to believe that everyone else in the world does just sets us up for failure. This isn't about moral high horses, it's about realpolitik.
 
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gaussian said:
https://www.ninecommentaries.com/english-7

About 80,000,000 have died as a direct result of the chicoms taking power.

I don't care how long you've served. The scale of the "atrocities" of the US government are dwarfed by multiple orders of magnitude when compared to the chicoms.
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Moving the goal posts a bit aren't we, going from the specific recent items you listed to people killed more than half a century ago under Mao? Mao was a horrible person and horrible things happened under his government, you certainly aren't going to get anyone to argue against that. This isn't a conversation about Mao or Maoism. This is a conversation about modern China and the likely outcome of the draconian measures you outlined.

Let's stay focused. If you want me to admit that China has done and still does bad things, sure, you're right. So stop arguing that, we're in violent agreement. Apparently we're also in agreement that no-one runs a better surveillance operation than the U.S.

If you're denying that the U.S. has done and still does bad things, well you certainly haven't articulated that very well, best I can tell it's something like "Since Mao killed a bunch of his own people die 50 years ago then the U.S. taking actions that led to half a million deaths in Iraq over the last 15 years are A OK"?

If you're denying that much of the world believes the U.S. has done and still does bad things, again, you haven't articulated that very well except again perhaps to argue that since someone else did worse things once the rest of the world must believe us to be boy scouts.

If you're arguing that taking draconian measures on China won't lead them to react violently and won't lead to a worldwide situation far worse than we're currently in, you haven't articulated that at all. And that, ultimately, is my point.
 
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