Cornel West, Progressive Scholar, Announces Third-Party Bid for President

[Tony Stark]

1. Obama wasn't facing Trump

2. Progs can't win without Democrats.

Even facing Trump Biden only won The EC by less than 45,000 votes, and thats when he was leading Trump by 7 points in the polls,now he is behind Trump and Desantis.When he come into office his net approval was + 20,now its -14.

He had those good numbers when he started and only won The EC by 44,000 votes.If he could barely eek by with a net approval of + 20 and leading 7 in the polls hes in trouble with a net approval of -14 and behind in head to head polls.And thats not even factoring West who will take black and progressive votes from him.

 

[Cuddles]

Are you even following the point I am making?

Are you?

Why is the Dem agenda in Senate held up? Because of two Senators who won't budge.

Trump had the same problem and no amount of 'fighting' or 'attacking' helped. Why do you think it would work on these guys?

"Dem" senators who had no reason to budge. Why would they, it's been w/o consequences for them. Biden and leadership treat them as honest actors in negotiations and speak highly of them.

Nonsense, he couldn't even get money for his wall.

Not sure if serious. Trump had wall funding in the bag but Miller derailed wall for DACA negotiations.

House Democrats passed a lot of bills that died in the Senate, which is exactly what happened in the Obama era.

And many virtue signaling bills are introduced w/the full knowledge of a failure in the senate just to appease the mob. Sending DOA bills to the senate w/no follow through, no insistence, no public statements, nothing, is a fart in the wind.

 

[Cuddles]

The deal was negotiated with rail unions


For those who subscribe to this view, the rail labor dispute was a telling encapsulation of Mr. Biden’s approach: an instance in which the administration worked closely with many leaders of the dozen unions representing rail workers but angered portions of the rank and file. Members of four unions voted down the deal that the administration had helped broker but were not allowed to strike for a better one.

Also, you seem to have missed the Obama presidency completely.

“For the decisions made in the Obama administration, labor was often an afterthought,” Ms. Shuler said. “It’s the polar opposite with Biden. We’re included at the table ahead of time, before decisions are made.”

Even the railway labor situation, in which Mr. Biden urged Congress to enact a contract that included significant wage gains and improvements in health benefits, ended up more favorable to workers than it probably would have under another administration, union officials say.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/27/business/economy/biden-labor-unions.html

Of course the NYT is going to spin it. What are they going to say? "Biden throws Union workers under the bus to avoid worsening surging inflation and supply chain woes"? You should read the "historic victories" of this debt ceiling bump......for a laugh anyway.

 

[exGOPer]

Of course the NYT is going to spin it. What are they going to say? "Biden throws Union workers under the bus to avoid worsening surging inflation and supply chain woes"? You should read the "historic victories" of this debt ceiling bump......for a laugh anyway.

Obviously you didn't read the NYT article, its rather critical about how Biden didn't go full Howard Zinn which of course he didn't.

 

[exGOPer]

Are you?

Yes, the point is that you cannot bully every politician in your party to submission. You think otherwise without addressing the politicians I keep talking about.

Lieberman, Manchin, Murkowsky.

What's common among them?

"Dem" senators who had no reason to budge. Why would they, it's been w/o consequences for them. Biden and leadership treat them as honest actors in negotiations and speak highly of them.

Yes, if only Biden hurt their feelings, suddenly they will tow the line instead of not voting for even the routine bills, just set them aside so you can fight Republicans with 48 senators on even Judicial confirmations.

Great strategy! Cornel West FTW.

Not sure if serious. Trump had wall funding in the bag but Miller derailed wall for DACA negotiations.

In September 2017, USA Today took on the laborious task of surveying every member of Congress to determine their position on Trump’s wall. At the time, the White House was requesting $1.6 billion to begin wall construction. The survey found that just 69 of the 292 Republicans in Congress said they supported Trump’s funding request. Three outright opposed it, but the majority avoided answering the question directly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...rs-resisting-trumps-border-wall-what-changed/

11 Senate Republicans voted to block Trump’s border wall emergency declaration
https://www.vox.com/2019/9/25/20880248/senate-republicans-trump-border-wall

And many virtue signaling bills are introduced w/the full knowledge of a failure in the senate just to appease the mob. Sending DOA bills to the senate w/no follow through, no insistence, no public statements, nothing, is a fart in the wind.

What is new about this? It takes a lot to get bills passed, this is what progs never understood.

 

[Cuddles]

Yes, the point is that you cannot bully every politician in your party to submission. You think otherwise without addressing the politicians I keep talking about.

Lieberman, Manchin, Murkowsky.

What's common among them?

You tell me. I know of no one that thinks Manchin is negotiating on a genuine belief system.

Yes, if only Biden hurt their feelings, suddenly they will tow the line instead of not voting for even the routine bills, just set them aside so you can fight Republicans with 48 senators on even Judicial confirmations.

Great strategy! Cornel West FTW.

yes, democrats, never take a risk on the off chance someone goes full DINO, just trash your numbers by being perpetual pussies instead. Judicial confirmations are stalled anyway because Biden/Pelosi sticking to "the norm" hasn't pushed a borderline vegetative Feinstein to the curb.

In September 2017, USA Today took on the laborious task of surveying every member of Congress to determine their position on Trump’s wall. At the time, the White House was requesting $1.6 billion to begin wall construction. The survey found that just 69 of the 292 Republicans in Congress said they supported Trump’s funding request. Three outright opposed it, but the majority avoided answering the question directly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...rs-resisting-trumps-border-wall-what-changed/

11 Senate Republicans voted to block Trump’s border wall emergency declaration
https://www.vox.com/2019/9/25/20880248/senate-republicans-trump-border-wall

The dreamact for wall funding was 2018. The emergency declaration was borderline unconstitutional and after dream for wall negotiations had imploded.

What is new about this? It takes a lot to get bills passed, this is what progs never understood.

or they're saying 'how 'bout a show of support' or some follow through?

 

[vanzandt]

So they will abandon Biden and vote for Cornel West because of one negotiation? What has West ever done for workers?

Did you miss this or you have no interest in thins that do get passed?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...se/1585/make-union-organizing-easier-workers/

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/547015-the-infrastructure-bills-hidden-labor-law-agenda/

If Trump's, or whoever the nominee is for the GOP is smart... they'll donate a bunch of their pac money to Cornel.
And unlike Bernie, he's not gonna quit for the good of the DNC nominee.
He's gonna get all those Bernie votes.
Go Cornel!

 

[exGOPer]

You tell me. I know of no one that thinks Manchin is negotiating on a genuine belief system.

Yes, everyone knows that, he is playing the Conservative for his constituents. Why is he gonna support progressive policies, let alone publicly when they are not even close to passing?

yes, democrats, never take a risk on the off chance someone goes full DINO, just trash your numbers by being perpetual pussies instead. Judicial confirmations are stalled anyway because Biden/Pelosi sticking to "the norm" hasn't pushed a borderline vegetative Feinstein to the curb..

They are stalled now, they weren't stalled in 20-21 which is why there are 100 plus federal court judges under Biden.

The dreamact for wall funding was 2018. The emergency declaration was borderline unconstitutional and after dream for wall negotiations had imploded.

Republicans in Congress were never for the wall, that's the bottomline.

or they're saying 'how 'bout a show of support' or some follow through?

Basically you want ads and marketing, you don't want to pay attention to the legislative process yourself.

 

[Cuddles]

Yes, everyone knows that, he is playing the Conservative for his constituents. Why is he gonna support progressive policies, let alone publicly when they are not even close to passing?

Progressive policies? I am talking about Biden's agenda. How's that "playing to his constituents" going to work out for him in the upcoming election? If he's even running for another term and not being coy about spoiler for office.

They are stalled now, they weren't stalled in 20-21 which is why there are 100 plus federal court judges under Biden.

It's a simple majority on senators present. Send Lindsay & Rubio on vacation/assignment abroad if Sinema or Manchin want to be cute.

Republicans in Congress were never for the wall, that's the bottomline.

Republicans in Congress were for whatever Trump told them they were for, that's the bottom line. Still are to a large degree.
Flip flops on:
Social security
Government handout trumpbux
protectionism and tariffs on China
protectionism and tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and EU
and yes, even the wall. As if republicans ever told the truth to some pollster. Public statements often were in line w/Trump's chants.

Basically you want ads and marketing, you don't want to pay attention to the legislative process yourself.

I want politicking and that involves being an effective salesman/statesman that plays hardball to get the numbers for said legislative process. You want to just cross your arms and accept defeat because the WH's did so and told you they tried.

 

[exGOPer]

Progressive policies? I am talking about Biden's agenda. How's that "playing to his constituents" going to work out for him in the upcoming election? If he's even running for another term and not being coy about spoiler for office.

I am talking about agenda that's stuck in the Senate because of Manchin, what has Biden got to do with this?

It's a simple majority on senators present. Send Lindsay & Rubio on vacation/assignment abroad if Sinema or Manchin want to be cute.

No wonder progs are disappointed, such clever solutions for eternal problems.

'Just send the Republicans on vacations'

That works for sure.

Republicans in Congress were for whatever Trump told them they were for, that's the bottom line. Still are to a large degree.
Flip flops on:
Social security
Government handout trumpbux
protectionism and tariffs on China
protectionism and tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and EU
and yes, even the wall. As if republicans ever told the truth to some pollster. Public statements often were in line w/Trump's chants.

But the funding for wall didn't pass, the poll has to be accurate. Trump was defied on it's funding which proves that even with someone so unstable, it's not so easy to get things passed.

I want politicking and that involves being an effective salesman/statesman that plays hardball to get the numbers for said legislative process. You want to just cross your arms and accept defeat because the WH's did so and told you they tried.

How do you know they didn't try? Should they broadcast their failure for everyone to know? Did Obama detail his meetings with Lieberman every time?