Considering a career change from aviation to finance

Hello,

I'd really appreciate some advice as I have a lot to consider. I'll try and keep it short. I'm a corporate pilot, been flying for over 16 years. It's been an amazing ride but the work conditions in my business keep deteriorating. It's been a lot of fun but being constantly on the road is taking its toll. I'm never home and have not had a designated day off in 5 years. I'm flying more than ever and see no light at the end of the tunnel. No real job stability and I have no career backup. While my passion for this industry is long gone I am very passionate about trading. I've long had an interest in the markets. I trade actively and enjoy studying and learning about it, the markets and economics.

I'm considering leaving aviation and going back to University to finish a bachelor in Finance. And complete any necessary further education such as a Masters or financial certifications. By the time I complete my education and would start looking for work I'd likely be around 43 years old. Going from a jet captain with a comfy lifestyle back to school will be a huge hit, but I increasingly feel that I may need to do this. I have a few questions whose answers could be real helpful as I consider this:

1) I love the markets. I love to trade. I like to strategize and analyse. With that in mind what are some specific jobs in finance that I should consider shooting for. Portfolio manager? Market strategist? Financial analyst? A good one for the long run.

2) Any advice considering I'd be new to the business in my early 40s. I assume age is no factor, competence is. But if you have any opinions I'd appreciate it.

3) Any suggestions on the education that I'll require. A bachelor as a minimum, I expect that I'll need a masters plus some specialty certifications. I like economics but seems like finance is the way to go. I prefer practical vs theoretical.

4) Does the ranking of the University matter in the end? I'm in Canada. I'm hoping to do it at the University of Toronto, Canada's best business school. However scheduling and costs may mean I have to do it at an average school.

5) For those in the business.. What do you find the job satisfaction in the long run is? I can tell you in my business it's low. This career is awesome in the beginning but it slowly grinds at you. Especially as you get older and you can't be there for your family. I know many that have left and are happier for it.

I'd appreciate any suggestions. Especially regarding which specific job to shoot for for someone that simply loves the markets. Thank you in advance!!! And happy trading!

Why would you want to work for someone else if you could make a good living trading from home, have loads of time off to do what you like, and go see the world instead of flying over it!

If you are a pilot, you should have a decent bit of cash saved up, which you will need in order to make good money trading.

You appear to have very little trading experience, especially daytrading, which is what you should look at if you want to limit your risk and maximize your returns.

To make good money daytrading, you can forget about all the academic stuff, and concentrate on common sense approach in relation to time and money.

You either want to make good money and have a quiet life, or you want the hassle of dealing with and answering to others - the choice is yours, but for me it is a no brainer!

J_S
 
I want to thank everyone for taking the time to offer your advice and opinions. I just took the time to carefully read all of them. It's one thing to consider a career change like this but as some of you have stated the end result can be a lot different than what I'm expecting. It's invaluable to have your insight on the reality of the finance business and what I may be getting myself into. I'm 38 and still feel like a 20 year old, it's hard to think that by the time I re-educate I may be considered too old for some roles. I get it. I paid my dues in aviation and like anyone that knows the business I've struggled for a long time, flying 2 million dollar aircraft at minimum wage. Camping at times to save the company money. Been broke during most of it. On the flip side I've had the privilege to experience amazing adventures all over the world and am now a jet captain. So like you in your business I've paid my dues, problem is this doesn't transfer all that well to other fields. Some of it I agree yes.

I have a lot to consider and my head is spinning. But thanks to your advice I'm able to get a better picture of things and with more research I'll be able to consider this better. The gameplan until now has been to save as much as I can and trade! Maybe even go overseas where the real money is for a few years and rack up the trading capital. It's a logical plan. However I'm so much away from home now, constantly in the air that I'm not able to trade at all. And I recently learned that some of my family members are sick. Been away from them for years and with no days off aside from vacation I rarely see them. So the stress levels have spiked and I'm finding myself frustrated and hating this career. I just see no end in sight to these crazy schedules of being away for months and on call 24/7. Trying to keep a level head. So I'm thinking up some backup plans. Crazy thing is all these years of grinding have not racked up that much in savings. So to go ahead with this career change could wipe me out and bring me back to the starting gate. But no debt and no kids. Gotta say the easiest solution still seems to just keep plugging along, save and trade. Will see. Thank you all and happy trading!!!!

FWIW, having worked for large multinational companies in the past, and having dealt with most departments that make up an organisation, I can honestly say that the biggest problem you will face with any job, is, dealing with other people.

Very few people are genuine, and no matter what you might think of someone, there will always be a side that you will know nothing about!

The best decision I ever made was to walk out of a good paying job on the day of my 40th birthday, and I haven't looked back since - apart from a recent foolish episode of drinking, which I am glad to say is now over and done with.

When you are on your own it is an entirely different ball game, and you need to have one solid plan made out to stop you from getting sucked in and wasting years doing nothing of real value.

In hindsight, it is now easy for me, but when I look back, I was the biggest fool in the world, wasting loads of time and money on silly things like trading books, courses and private chat rooms.

You need to be very careful with whom you associate and speak with, as with any profession that we choose, a lot will depend on who we know!

For your information, it is possible to trade for no more than 1.5 hours per day, carry no overnight positions, and make between $500 to $5,000 (or more!) per day, depending on how much cash you have, and how good you are at handling boredom, for that is exactly how it gets after the excitement has died down, much the same as you described bout your pilot career.

The freedom and time off makes up for it though - a small price to pay for a nice quiet and simple life, which you will never get working for someone else.

J_S
 
Very few people are genuine, and no matter what you might think of someone, there will always be a side that you will know nothing about!

Definitely don't listen to any drivel J_Smith spews out. Possibly one of the most full of shit (and himself) members on ET
 
I can relate to this somewhat. Here's my two cents.

No fancy Bachelor of Finance for this guy. I paid my dues in the Canadian army slogging out there for a few years, then transferred my newly acquired skills to a nice well paid defence contractor gig.

I became bored with my day job so I decided to take "trading" more seriously. It's always been an interest of mine. Been dabbling in the stock market since my teenage days. I even went so far as to pursue a Bachelor of Finance (evening) but stopped halfway with a Diploma instead once I realized that 90% of it was useless in regards to trading.

In hindsight I would have been better served taking some Mathematics courses focusing on odds, probabilities etc.

Oh yea lots of bullshit artist in this biz especially on this site. Imo Redneck and J_Smith are one of the few worth paying any attention to, even if they are incredibly cryptic :banghead:. You'll get a feel for who's legit or not over time. A dead give away is if they're trying to sell anything Aka. Shill

If I were you I wouldn't quit your day job. Use it instead to save cash.

No curriculum will teach to learn how to trade, plenty for sale though. As for the degree all its good for is another 9 to 5 after 4 years of studying IMO.

Best of luck to you.
 
I can relate to this somewhat. Here's my two cents.

No fancy Bachelor of Finance for this guy. I paid my dues in the Canadian army slogging out there for a few years, then transferred my newly acquired skills to a nice well paid defence contractor gig.

I became bored with my day job so I decided to take "trading" more seriously. It's always been an interest of mine. Been dabbling in the stock market since my teenage days. I even went so far as to pursue a Bachelor of Finance (evening) but stopped halfway with a Diploma instead once I realized that 90% of it was useless in regards to trading.

In hindsight I would have been better served taking some Mathematics courses focusing on odds, probabilities etc.

Oh yea lots of bullshit artist in this biz especially on this site. Imo Redneck and J_Smith are one of the few worth paying any attention to, even if they are incredibly cryptic :banghead:. You'll get a feel for who's legit or not over time. A dead give away is if they're trying to sell anything Aka. Shill

If I were you I wouldn't quit your day job. Use it instead to save cash.

No curriculum will teach to learn how to trade, plenty for sale though. As for the degree all its good for is another 9 to 5 after 4 years of studying IMO.

Best of luck to you.

I recently got a PM from an ET member, who asked a very simple question, nice and polite.

He now has adequate information that will enable him to make good money daytrading, but, as he has been told, he must "stay on the bus".

He is all excited, which is normal, but unless he actually trades with low risk at first, he will more than likely fail like most do.

He has yet to believe that successful trading is 99.99% mental, as the mechanics are the easy bit, once set up with a sound and valid approach.

It is idiots like profitloser that never learn anything:rolleyes:

J_S
 
1) I love the markets. I love to trade. I like to strategize and analyse. With that in mind what are some specific jobs in finance that I should consider shooting for. Portfolio manager? Market strategist? Financial analyst? A good one for the long run.

Trading knowledge is different from trading skillset.
Feel free to visit my thread : http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/trading-knowledge-vs-trading-skillset.298662/

I believe that :
1. Investments need genius mind
2. Trading needs trading skillset
3. Portfolio managers, Market strategists, Financial analysts need analytical skillset

The first two are result oriented while the third one is more of academic in nature :)
 
Trading knowledge is different from trading skillset.
Feel free to visit my thread : http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/trading-knowledge-vs-trading-skillset.298662/

I believe that :
1. Investments need genius mind
2. Trading needs trading skillset
3. Portfolio managers, Market strategists, Financial analysts need analytical skillset

The first two are result oriented while the third one is more of academic in nature :)

What do you consider a valid "trading skillset".

We can ignore the rest!

J_S
 
What do you consider a valid "trading skillset".

We can ignore the rest!

J_S

In simple words...ability to control losses & making consistent profits !

Basically trading is a business...which involves human psychology more than technicalites.

I "see" trading as a psychological game between speculators and common traders. Once i got this insight my trading approach has changed. I noticed some trading patterns from this viewpoint and created an open source intraday strategy for index futures/options:
http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index...ay-strategy-for-index-futures-options.298637/
 
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