Conservative Mind Set & Conspiracy Theories

[jem]

so you are spinning the argument that the Jews killed Jesus and Pilate and Rome had nothing to do with it?

Read the passion... understand why Rome had INRI inscribed... in 3 languages.

here is a start from wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus,_King_of_the_Jews

In the accounts of the Passion of Jesus, the title King of the Jews is used on three separate occasions. In the first such episode, all four Gospels state that the title was used for Jesus when he was interviewed by Pilate and that his Crucifixion was based on that charge, as in Matthew 27:11, Mark 15:2, Luke 23:3 and John 18:33.[7]

In your deluded fantasies, the character can be anything you want him to be, but what you say doesn't hold any water. The govt that wanted to destroy Jesus in the Bible tales is what was the jewish church, not big gov Rome, not Caesar.

By any measure JC was a Lefty Liberal.

At least get the story as it's told a bit more straight before you start trying to manipulate it.

 

[jem]

fascists socialists kings.. it poweful central govt which is the problem throughout history

You keep insisting that big government belongs to the left, probably because of historical authoritarianism in the name of socialism. So if that's the way it has to be, then the right owns colonialism.

 

[trendlover]

so you are spinning the argument that the Jews killed Jesus and Pilate and Rome had nothing to do with it?

Read the passion... understand why Rome had INRI inscribed... in 3 languages.

here is a start from wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus,_King_of_the_Jews

In the accounts of the Passion of Jesus, the title King of the Jews is used on three separate occasions. In the first such episode, all four Gospels state that the title was used for Jesus when he was interviewed by Pilate and that his Crucifixion was based on that charge, as in Matthew 27:11, Mark 15:2, Luke 23:3 and John 18:33.[7]

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From your link.

The continued reliance on the use of the term King by the Jews to press charges against Jesus is a key element of the final decision to crucify him.[3] In John 19:12 Pilate seeks to release Jesus, but the Jews object, saying: "If thou release this man, thou art not Caesar's friend: every one that maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar" bringing the power of Caesar to the forefront of the discussion.[3] In John 19:12 the Jews then cry out: "Crucify him! ... We have no king but Caesar."

 

[stu]

I guess if someone thinks the most written about historical figure in the history of the world didn't even exist, it wouldn't be hard for them to also think he was a liberal.

Reality based world, right?

In a reality based world, if someone is making an imaginary person into an historical figure, when the standard for their historicity has nowhere near been reached, it wouldn't make it hard for them to think he was anything they wanted. Right?

 

[stu]

LOL
If Jesus was imaginary then his quotes are too. By your own admission you're quoting the men who created Jesus not Jesus himself. As according to you he never existed.

Dear me. It doesn't make any difference.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who imagine Jesus was real and then name call as liberals, socialists and leftists those who don't fit with their own politics.
Hypocrisy because the Jesus they think real, is clearly portrayed as a liberal socialist and leftist.

Really what is it about that which you can't get your lack of intellect around.

The Bible Jesus is a fictional bleeding heart radical wealth re-distributing socialist liberal. Everything right wingers hate and detest while at the same time rather brainlessly and hypocritically they worship him.

 

[Lucrum]

Dear me. It doesn't make any difference.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who imagine Jesus was real and then name call as liberals, socialists and leftists those who don't fit with their own politics.
Hypocrisy because the Jesus they think real, is clearly portrayed as a liberal socialist and leftist.

Really what is it about that which you can't get your lack of intellect around.

The Bible Jesus is a fictional bleeding heart radical wealth re-distributing socialist liberal. Everything right wingers hate and detest while at the same time rather brainlessly and hypocritically they worship him.

That would make some sense. IF Jesus was a big government socialist to begin with. Only he wasn't.

 

[jem]

exactly...

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From your link.

The continued reliance on the use of the term King by the Jews to press charges against Jesus is a key element of the final decision to crucify him.[3] In John 19:12 Pilate seeks to release Jesus, but the Jews object, saying: "If thou release this man, thou art not Caesar's friend: every one that maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar" bringing the power of Caesar to the forefront of the discussion.[3] In John 19:12 the Jews then cry out: "Crucify him! ... We have no king but Caesar."

 

[jem]

The right wing believes in opportunity and in charity and good works by individuals. We see the left politicians as selfish bastards trade the debt of our children for votes today. They steal the work and labor of hard working people through devaluation of the dollar and economy crushing taxes.

If the left were really about helping and not about their own power govt would not be cementing in a lower class. Govt would not be taxing the hell out of tax payers and devaluing their dollars. We would have all sorts of programs in place which would phase out benefits as people return to work.

The right believe in opportunity through a growing economy. The USA lifted so many out of poverty. Its the USSR vs USA... what was better for people?

 

[Scataphagos]

"... Its the USSR vs USA... what was better for people?

US government elites care only about "what's good for us" (the controlling elites)... just as did the Communist Party elites in the USSR.

 

[stu]

That would make some sense. IF Jesus was a big government socialist to begin with. Only he wasn't.

Government at the supposed time of Jesus could hardly have been much bigger. The quote "Render unto Caesar...." makes just about as firm an acquiescence to big government as it gets. It allows for nothing more than submission to big tax or whatever. The whole emphasis is anti wealth.

It clearly puts Bible Jesus well and truly on the left wing.

A right winger's definition of a 'selfish bastard' if ever there was one.