Conservative Mind Set & Conspiracy Theories

[denner]

Quote from bigarrow:

I thought most of those corporate jobs had insurance benefits?

You have to do some critical thinking bigarrow.

Why was the employer mandate delayed a year?......

Remember, the estimates are that 128,000,000 individuals will ultimately lose their current insurance coverage.

If you didn't know all of this, then I'm afraid that you aren't reaching a positive conclusion based on the facts.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from bigarrow:

I thought most of those corporate jobs had insurance benefits?

Mine does and currently they pay 100% of my premium. Of course when it increases by 114% that may very well change. And even if they continue to pay it's probably going to cut into future pay increases. Hence one way or the other I'll be paying.

This is an example of what is sometimes called being able to think beyond the nose on your face.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Excellent news. Obama rocks !

Because of a 114% increase in insurance premiums?

What kind of gay cheer leading would you do for say, 250%?

 

[Maverick74]

Quote from bigarrow:

I already know my costs. I checked on one of the Fox News clips posted here about the guy in South Carolina and the rates posted on the SC blue shield website didn't match with the fox story but them do we really expect fox or it's viewers to use facts.

Wait a minute? Why did you respond to my post and not even reference what was in it? My link had nothing to do with Fox News, it was a Forbes article and the map they posted was not theirs. Can you at least have the courtesy to respond to the facts when they are presented before you instead of running to the old "Fox News lies" corner? I mean "you" were the guy that complained that one was giving you numbers, just stories. So I give you a map with the numbers and respond with some dribble about Fox news. Come on Bigarrow. Try harder.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Maverick74:

Wait a minute? Why did you respond to my post and not even reference what was in it? My link had nothing to do with Fox News, it was a Forbes article and the map they posted was not theirs. Can you at least have the courtesy to respond to the facts when they are presented before you instead of running to the old "Fox News lies" corner? I mean "you" were the guy that complained that one was giving you numbers, just stories. So I give you a map with the numbers and respond with some dribble about Fox news. Come on Bigarrow. Try harder.

LOL

Sounds like a severe case of Fox News derangement syndrome.

 

[bigarrow]

Quote from Maverick74:

Wait a minute? Why did you respond to my post and not even reference what was in it? My link had nothing to do with Fox News, it was a Forbes article and the map they posted was not theirs. Can you at least have the courtesy to respond to the facts when they are presented before you instead of running to the old "Fox News lies" corner? I mean "you" were the guy that complained that one was giving you numbers, just stories. So I give you a map with the numbers and respond with some dribble about Fox news. Come on Bigarrow. Try harder.

My posts that you responded to were in response to Lucrum's post of the fox clip about the SC man. So sir I was staying on point with the conversation. Try harder maverick74.

I've posted specific prices on what my costs would be. I just talked to a far right buddy of mine saying how his health cost were going up 6 grand a year. While we were on the phone I looked up the prices online and his total cost were just a little above $6 grand not a 6 grand increase.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from bigarrow:

You nor any of your friends here do not know of ACA is worse or better than the previous standard health care. And millions losing their healthcare isn't totally true isn't it more accurate millions will be changing policies but still be insured also there will be those who were not insured before who will now have health insurance. ACA. Is here and with time we will find out how it works and what needs to be done to improve upon it but is here.

There you go again, using common sense and logic. Party pooper!

 

[denner]

Quote from bigarrow:

My posts that you responded to were in response to Lucrum's post of the fox clip about the SC man. So sir I was staying on point with the conversation. Try harder maverick74.

I've posted specific prices on what my costs would be. I just talked to a far right buddy of mine saying how his health cost were going up 6 grand a year. While we were on the phone I looked up the prices online and his total cost were just a little above $6 grand not a 6 grand increase.

So let's say your buddy pays $6,000 in premiums over the year ($500.00/mo.), did you factor in the deductable and/or the 60/40 or 80/20 of shared costs that most of these plans require. The limits for his "out of network" coverage.

The plan is probably more like $500.00 per month and $5,000 deductable or $11,000.00 per year. But Bigarrow forgot that part of the calculation.

 

[jem]

talk about morons... your team had control of all three branches when you passed this health insurance company screw america crap....

if reid pelosi Obama and the the insurance companies who own them wanted single paper you had dozens of real lefties buy sellouts like kucinich who really wanted single payer.

you passed this crap without a single R vote.
its all yours... you team had single payer in the bag...
your team screwed us because they are owned by the insurance companies.

Quote from futurecurrents:

Too bad the moron GOP won't allow the right thing. Single payer.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from denner:

I have nothing but contempt for either party. However, you would have to be completely delusional not to realize how disastrous this rollout has been. It's literally been a non-stop bloopers reel of idiotic quotes, half-truths and uncomfortable lies from just about every prominent Dem, with regards to the ridiculous propoganda used to try and market this turd.

Nope, Piezoe, the next year will be the Dem's turn to take it on the chin.

Oh, the roll out has been a disaster, no question about that. But we are just a little ways into this thing. Let's give it a few months at least and see how it plays out. Actually, it seems we won't really know for several years. It will take that long for the emergency rooms to go from packed to the gills to mostly empty.

In the meantime, we are being sent two very different messages: one being " look, we screwed up, we're sorry, and we are going to fix this damn thing just as rapidly as humanly possible," and the other being "see I told you government was hopeless, we've got to destroy the government before it destroys us." Of these two messages, I'm going to guess that the former will have more political cachet at the polls.

The let's-wreck-the-government crowd, while vocal and highly entertaining, will not be very popular with the millions of government employees, the millions on government assistance, and the growing numbers starting to draw on their investments in Social Security and Medicare. Those old geezers vote! And too, this latter cohort is going to be joined by the more moderate members of the working electorate. They may be pissed at Obama, but I can't see them joining forces with those lunatics hunkering down in their bunkers while lobbing grenades at Washington. Sure, the ransack and burn, lets-cut-government-except-for-defense-to-the-core boys will make a mess of things to the extent they can. (They have zero interest in government functioning well; they want government to go away!) But Christie's election taught us that the vast majority of citizens want their government to work, and they want their politicians to make it work!