Conservative lie about 'voter fraud' and 'illegals voting'

There is as much evidence of me lying as your 'voter fraud' claims. You are a pedo Trump supporter, dean of Trump University Scam and a pathological liar.

Your bipartisan commission recommendation is also a lie as usual.

I have already posted legitimate arguments against sham voter ID laws - Cons passing these laws and then making IDs difficult to get as shown in Alabama.

You are projecting again. Everything you accuse others doing, you do yourself. Here is yet another example.

A Clearer Picture on Voter ID

February 02, 2008
By Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker III

This Jimmy Carter and James Baker III op-ed was published in the Feb. 3, 2008, edition of The New York Times.

This is a major election year. Unfortunately, our two major political parties — Democratic and Republican — continue to disagree on some of the rules that apply to the administration of our elections. This divide is perhaps most contentious when the issue becomes one of whether voters should present photo identification to vote.

Twenty-seven states require or request some form of ID to vote. Supporters of this policy argue that if voters identify themselves before voting, election fraud will be reduced. Opponents of an ID requirement fear it will disenfranchise voters, especially the poor, members of minority groups and the elderly, who are less likely than other voters to have suitable identification. The debate is polarized because most of the proponents are Republicans and most of the opponents are Democrats.

In 2005, we led a bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform and concluded that both parties' concerns were legitimate — a free and fair election requires both ballot security and full access to voting. We offered a proposal to bridge the partisan divide by suggesting a uniform voter photo ID, based on the federal Real ID Act of 2005, to be phased in over five years. To help with the transition, states would provide free voter photo ID cards for eligible citizens; mobile units would be sent out to provide the IDs and register voters. (Of the 21 members of the commission, only three dissented on the requirement for an ID.)

No state has yet accepted our proposal. What's more, when it comes to ID laws, confusion reigns. The laws on the books, mainly backed by Republicans, have not made it easy enough for voters to acquire an ID. At the same time, Democrats have tended to try to block voter ID legislation outright instead of seeking to revise that legislation to promote accessibility. When lower courts have considered challenges to state laws on the question of access, their decisions have not been consistent. And in too many instances, individual judges have appeared to vote along partisan lines.

Fortunately, the Supreme Court has taken on a case involving a challenge to Indiana's voter ID law. The court, which heard arguments last month and is expected to render a judgment this term, has the power finally to bring clarity to this crucial issue. A study by American University's Center for Democracy and Election Management — led by Robert Pastor, who also organized the voting commission — illustrates the problem at hand. The center found that in three states with ID requirements — Indiana, Mississippi and Maryland — only about 1.2 percent of registered voters lacked a photo ID. While the sample was small, and the margin of error was therefore high, we were pleased to see that so few registered voters lacked photo IDs. That was pretty good news.

The bad news, however, was this: While the numbers of registered voters without valid photo IDs were few, the groups least likely to have them were women, African-Americans and Democrats. Surveys in other states, of course, may well present a different result.

We hope the court will approach the challenges posed by the Indiana law in a bipartisan or nonpartisan way. As we stated in our 2005 report, voter ID laws are not a problem in and of themselves. Rather, the current crop of laws are not being phased in gradually and in a fair manner that would increase — not reduce — voter participation. The recent decision by the Department of Homeland Security to delay putting in place the Real ID Act for at least five years suggests that states should move to photo ID requirements gradually and should do more to ensure that free photo IDs are easily available.

The Supreme Court faces a difficult and important decision. If the justices divide along partisan lines, as lower courts have, they would add to the political polarization in the country. We hope that they will find a nonpartisan path that combines both legitimate concerns — ballot security and full access to voting — and underscores the importance of applying these laws in a fair and gradual way. It is also important to remember that our commission's report addressed other pressing election concerns. There is much more that Congress and state legislatures need to do to improve the electoral process and restore confidence in our democracy. We have outlined 87 such steps in our commission report.

In the meantime, the Supreme Court can lead the way on the voter ID issue. It has the opportunity to inspire the states, our national leaders and the entire country to bridge the partisan divide on a matter that is important to our democracy. It can support voter ID laws that make it easy to vote but tough to cheat.

Jimmy Carter was the 39th president. James A. Baker III was the secretary of state in the George H.W. Bush administration.

https://www.cartercenter.org/news/editorials_speeches/voter_id.html
 
You are projecting again. Everything you accuse others doing, you do yourself. Here is yet another example.

A Clearer Picture on Voter ID

February 02, 2008
By Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker III

This Jimmy Carter and James Baker III op-ed was published in the Feb. 3, 2008, edition of The New York Times.

This is a major election year. Unfortunately, our two major political parties — Democratic and Republican — continue to disagree on some of the rules that apply to the administration of our elections. This divide is perhaps most contentious when the issue becomes one of whether voters should present photo identification to vote.

Twenty-seven states require or request some form of ID to vote. Supporters of this policy argue that if voters identify themselves before voting, election fraud will be reduced. Opponents of an ID requirement fear it will disenfranchise voters, especially the poor, members of minority groups and the elderly, who are less likely than other voters to have suitable identification. The debate is polarized because most of the proponents are Republicans and most of the opponents are Democrats.

In 2005, we led a bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform and concluded that both parties' concerns were legitimate — a free and fair election requires both ballot security and full access to voting. We offered a proposal to bridge the partisan divide by suggesting a uniform voter photo ID, based on the federal Real ID Act of 2005, to be phased in over five years. To help with the transition, states would provide free voter photo ID cards for eligible citizens; mobile units would be sent out to provide the IDs and register voters. (Of the 21 members of the commission, only three dissented on the requirement for an ID.)

No state has yet accepted our proposal. What's more, when it comes to ID laws, confusion reigns. The laws on the books, mainly backed by Republicans, have not made it easy enough for voters to acquire an ID. At the same time, Democrats have tended to try to block voter ID legislation outright instead of seeking to revise that legislation to promote accessibility. When lower courts have considered challenges to state laws on the question of access, their decisions have not been consistent. And in too many instances, individual judges have appeared to vote along partisan lines.

Fortunately, the Supreme Court has taken on a case involving a challenge to Indiana's voter ID law. The court, which heard arguments last month and is expected to render a judgment this term, has the power finally to bring clarity to this crucial issue. A study by American University's Center for Democracy and Election Management — led by Robert Pastor, who also organized the voting commission — illustrates the problem at hand. The center found that in three states with ID requirements — Indiana, Mississippi and Maryland — only about 1.2 percent of registered voters lacked a photo ID. While the sample was small, and the margin of error was therefore high, we were pleased to see that so few registered voters lacked photo IDs. That was pretty good news.

The bad news, however, was this: While the numbers of registered voters without valid photo IDs were few, the groups least likely to have them were women, African-Americans and Democrats. Surveys in other states, of course, may well present a different result.

We hope the court will approach the challenges posed by the Indiana law in a bipartisan or nonpartisan way. As we stated in our 2005 report, voter ID laws are not a problem in and of themselves. Rather, the current crop of laws are not being phased in gradually and in a fair manner that would increase — not reduce — voter participation. The recent decision by the Department of Homeland Security to delay putting in place the Real ID Act for at least five years suggests that states should move to photo ID requirements gradually and should do more to ensure that free photo IDs are easily available.

The Supreme Court faces a difficult and important decision. If the justices divide along partisan lines, as lower courts have, they would add to the political polarization in the country. We hope that they will find a nonpartisan path that combines both legitimate concerns — ballot security and full access to voting — and underscores the importance of applying these laws in a fair and gradual way. It is also important to remember that our commission's report addressed other pressing election concerns. There is much more that Congress and state legislatures need to do to improve the electoral process and restore confidence in our democracy. We have outlined 87 such steps in our commission report.

In the meantime, the Supreme Court can lead the way on the voter ID issue. It has the opportunity to inspire the states, our national leaders and the entire country to bridge the partisan divide on a matter that is important to our democracy. It can support voter ID laws that make it easy to vote but tough to cheat.

Jimmy Carter was the 39th president. James A. Baker III was the secretary of state in the George H.W. Bush administration.

https://www.cartercenter.org/news/editorials_speeches/voter_id.html

Thanks for proving my point, this was not a congressional bipartisan commission, a private foundation doing a study based on their own criteria and even then Cons NOT ACCEPTING their recommendation is proof of what?

No state has yet accepted our proposal

Money quote from your article, Cons won't accept any proof that's easier to get because their motive is to prevent people from voting

Go back to Trump University Con, you are clearly out of your depth here.
 
Thanks for proving my point, this was not a congressional bipartisan commission, a private foundation doing a study based on their own criteria and even then Cons NOT ACCEPTING their recommendation is proof of what?

No state has yet accepted our proposal

Money quote from your article, Cons won't accept any proof that's easier to get because their motive is to prevent people from voting

Go back to Trump University Con, you are clearly out of your depth here.

I did not say congressional commission, you imbecile. I said bipartisan commission. Learn to read.

Says the Tard who lies on a regular basis. There was a bipartisan commission after the 2000 election that recommend voter ID. Like I said, there is no legitimate argument against voter ID.

You whine when I don't waste my time discussing an issue in depth with you. Now you know why. You lose again TARD.
 
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I did not say congressional commission, you imbecile. I said bipartisan commission. Learn to read.

Except you said BIPARTISAN commission which implies you were talking about a CONGRESSIONAL commission. Nice try


You whine when I don't waste my time discussing an issue in depth with you. Now you know why. You lose again TARD.

In depth? Hahahha

All you do is copy paste and then insult with your copy pasta one liners as you do with anyone who doesn't side with your pedo loving ideology.

Go back to Trump University Con, you are out of your depth discussing complex issues.

Now paste another one liner with BOLD COLORFUL font to prove that you are 'winning'
 
For all my conservative friends on this board , who love our constitution so much. Where does it say that voter ID is required?

Btw, I am all for voter ID as long as any bill associated with obtaining it is getting paid for by federal/state government. If it takes 5 trips and costs someone 1K than they need to be reimbursed. Com on, we all know the reality is that voter ID laws are to suppress voting.

If anyone lives on California, can you please explain how you vote and register. For example, in New York, it is virtually impossible for anyone to vote illegally.
 
Except you said BIPARTISAN commission which implies you were talking about a CONGRESSIONAL commission. Nice try




In depth? Hahahha

All you do is copy paste and then insult with your copy pasta one liners as you do with anyone who doesn't side with your pedo loving ideology.

Go back to Trump University Con, you are out of your depth discussing complex issues.

Now paste another one liner with BOLD COLORFUL font to prove that you are 'winning'

Look up the definition of bipartisan, you imbecile.

You whine when I don't waste my time discussing an issue in depth with you. Now you know why. You lose again TARD.
 
For all my conservative friends on this board , who love our constitution so much. Where does it say that voter ID is required?

Btw, I am all for voter ID as long as any bill associated with obtaining it is getting paid for by federal/state government. If it takes 5 trips and costs someone 1K than they need to be reimbursed. Com on, we all know the reality is that voter ID laws are to suppress voting.

Exactly, nobody is opposed to the concept of an ID, the problem is that Cons are not promoting this on good faith. In fact, TomB proved it when he posted the link to Carter's study which says that Republicans refused to take up his offer while they continued to have pushed their own version of the policy which is meant to suppress Dem voters. Why should an 85 year old disabled black woman have to prove she is a citizen based on a criteria Cons made up themselves?
 
Look up the definition of bipartisan, you imbecile.

You whine when I don't waste my time discussing an issue in depth with you. Now you know why. You lose again TARD.

You didn't use the word in isolation Con, you said BIPARTISAN COMMISSION which IMPLIES Congress related and even with your link, Cons didn't accept the commission recommendations.

Go back to Trump University Con, you clearly didn't earn your degree.
 
You didn't use the word in isolation Con, you said BIPARTISAN COMMISSION which IMPLIES Congress related and even with your link, Cons didn't accept the commission recommendations.

Go back to Trump University Con, you clearly didn't earn your degree.
Denying reality. This is a classic case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. You are a proven liar and hypocrite. You lose again TARD.
 
The bottom line is that you cannot pretend to care about the sanctity of the vote, and then not care whether or not the person doing the actual voting is a citizen or not. No matter how much you lefties would like citizenship to be granted simply on the grounds that a person is on American soil, that is not the case, least not yet. All the excuses in the world for not having something as simple as an I.D. doesn't change the fact that if we're going to get all twisted up about counting votes, then we damn sure need to make sure the simplest part of the process isn't being manipulated before we wander off into the world of high tech cyber espionage.
 
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