Conservative lie about 'voter fraud' and 'illegals voting'

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exGOPer

Why do they keep pushing it?

Because they can't win an election without cheating and lying about what their policies are. Without a boogeyman to blame their failures, conservatives have got nothing. Just like they used to lynch blacks using fake excuses, now they target more non-white voters out of spite and their natural stupidity.

For 10 cases of in-person voter impersonation that might have been deterred by polling place Photo ID restrictions --- restrictions which, according to study after study, could keep as many as 22 million perfectly legal eligible voters from being able to cast their legal vote

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/...-finds-just-10-cases-of-in-person-voter-fraud

The Bush admin study found 86 actionable cases:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth

The Brennan Center also found the same thing:

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud

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The right wing uses the specter of the possibility of voter fraud to enact voter suppression IDs and voter roll purges etc to tamp down Democratic votes. This is provable over and over:

- Do voter identification laws suppress minority voting? Yes. We did the research..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-we-did-the-research/?utm_term=.021fb038c749

- Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

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How Voter ID Laws Discriminate - A new comprehensive study finds evidence that strict voting laws do suppress the ballot along racial lines.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/how-voter-id-laws-discriminate-study/517218/

EX from Wisconsin:

- UW Study: Up To 23,000 Didn't Vote Because Of Voter ID Law
https://www.wpr.org/uw-study-23-000-didnt-vote-because-voter-id-law
 
Tom B said:
There's no legitimate argument against voter ID.
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Sure there is, when Cons pass voter ID laws and then make it difficult for people to get them

""Based on its investigation, DOT has concluded that African Americans residing in the Black Belt region of Alabama disproportionately underserved by ALEA's driver licensing services, causing a disparate and adverse impact on the basis of race," the department said."

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/01/as_it_turns_out_bentleys_drive.html

If Cons want everyone to have IDs, why do they make it difficult for so many people to get them?
 
Tom B said:
There's no legitimate argument against voter ID.
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Here are more legitimate arguments

"A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting. For example, residents can vote with their concealed-carry handgun licenses but not their state-issued student university IDs."

"In 2012, a federal court in Washington concluded that the burden of obtaining a state voter-ID certificate would weigh disproportionately on minorities living in poverty, with many having to travel as much as 200 to 250 miles round trip."



After Texas implemented its new law, Randall went to the Department of Public Safety (the Texas agency that handles driver’s licenses and identification cards) three times to try to get a photo ID to vote. Each time Randall was told he needed different items. First, he was told he needed three forms of identification. He came back and brought his Medicaid card, bills and a current voter registration card from voting in past elections.

“I thought that because I was on record for voting, I could vote again,” Randall said.

But he was told he still needed more documentation, such as a certified copy of his birth certificate.

Records of births before 1950, such as Randall’s, are not on a central computer and are located only in the county clerk’s office where the person was born.

For Randall, that meant an hour-long drive to Huntsville, where his lawyers found a copy of his birth certificate.

But that wasn’t enough. With his birth certificate in hand, Randall went to the DPS office in Houston with all the necessary documents. But, DPS officials still would not issue him a photo ID because of a clerical mistake on his birth certificate. One letter was off in his last name — “Randell” instead of “Randall” — so his last name was spelled slightly different than on all his other documents.

Kamin, the lawyer, asked the DPS official if they could pull up Randall’s prior driver’s-license information, as he once had a state-issued ID. The official told her that the state doesn’t keep records of prior identification after five years, and there was nothing they could do to pull up that information.

Kamin was finally able to prove to a DPS supervisor that there was a clerical error and was able to verify Randall’s identity by showing other documents.

But Myrtle Delahuerta, 85, who lives across town from Randall, has tried unsuccessfully for two years to get her ID. She has the same problem of her birth certificate not matching her pile of other legal documents that she carts from one government office to the next. The disabled woman, who has difficulty walking, is applying to have her name legally changed, a process that will cost her more than $300 and has required a background check and several trips to government offices.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...14ca9de2972_story.html?utm_term=.510496852dfc
 
VOTER ID LAWS DEPRIVE MANY AMERICANS OF THE RIGHT TO VOTE
  • Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.1
  • Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.
    • Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.2
    • The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.3
  • Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.5
VOTER ID LAWS ARE DISCRIMINATORY
  • Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
  • States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
  • Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
  • Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8
VOTER ID REQUIREMENTS ARE A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM
  • In-person fraud is vanishingly rare. A recent study found that, since 2000, there were only 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation – the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent – during a period of time in which over 1 billion ballots were cast.9
  • Identified instances of “fraud” are honest mistakes. So-called cases of in-person impersonation voter “fraud” are almost always the product of an elections worker or a voter making an honest mistake, and that even these mistakes are extremely infrequent.10
  • Voter ID laws are a waste of taxpayer dollars. States incur sizeable costs when implementing voter ID laws, including the cost of educating the public, training poll workers, and providing IDs to voters.
    • Texas spent nearly $2 million on voter education and outreach efforts following passage of its Voter ID law.11
    • Indiana spent over $10 million to produce free ID cards between 2007 and 2010.12
  • https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
 
"Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID."
Typical leftist excuse making. It's too hard even if it's free. That is the mantra for damn near everything. Give them free education, but it's sooo hard getting up and going to class, and all those tests, its' just too much. Birth certificates cost money. What did you do with the original motherfucker? And every asshole out there crying poor has their face buried in an iPhone. How's that? Plenty of money for weed, a pack of Newports and a 40 Oz. but can't together a couple bucks for an I.D.? Fuck you excuse making fucks. You cocksuckers will chase every god damn conspiracy theory under the sun to distract from the plain as day problems. The vote is scared? Fuck you. The only thing sacred to your worthless asses is falling in line with whatever talking points push your idiotic ideology.
 
CaptainObvious said:
"Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID."
Typical leftist excuse making. It's too hard even if it's free. That is the mantra for damn near everything. Give them free education, but it's sooo hard getting up and going to class, and all those tests, its' just too much. Birth certificates cost money. What did you do with the original motherfucker? And every asshole out there crying poor has their face buried in an iPhone. How's that? Plenty of money for weed, a pack of Newports and a 40 Oz. but can't together a couple bucks for an I.D.? Fuck you excuse making fucks. You cocksuckers will chase every god damn conspiracy theory under the sun to distract from the plain as day problems. The vote is scared? Fuck you. The only thing sacred to your worthless asses is falling in line with whatever talking points push your idiotic ideology.
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Agree. Tards oppose voter ID even when IDs are free for poor people. If there is an issue with a birth certificate; then, help people obtain a BC. Like I said, there's no legitimate argument against it.
 
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