Yes, I suppose the vote might be closer than I thought. I looked it up and I can see maybe 14 or 15 republican votes. Unless there is some scheme that puts Sessions back in however, this will result in total intra-party warfare. Trump should see this as a trial run to impeach him, because that is exactly what it is.
Conservative hero Roy Moore diddles 14 year old girls
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Yes, I suppose the vote might be closer than I thought. I looked it up and I can see maybe 14 or 15 republican votes. Unless there is some scheme that puts Sessions back in however, this will result in total intra-party warfare. Trump should see this as a trial run to impeach him, because that is exactly what it is.
There are many here and elsewhere who think the Senate's power to expel him is a slam dunk if they can come up with the votes. It isn't.
It is clear that constitution gives the senate the power to expel a senator for misconduct while in office. But it is vastly, vastly less clear that the Senate has the power to expel a senator for circumstances that were known to the voters at the time of the election and where senators may disagree on the interpretation or weight that should be given to those factors. The Framers definitely gave powers to the Senate to boot scoundrels and perverts out, but they definitely did not intend those powers to be used such that a little club meets and decides whether the person a state has elected meets their approval. What could go wrong there? Well, you can be sure they knew and that is why power was vested in the people and their duly elected representatives.
I dont' really have an interest in a full blown discussion on this. I am just sayin. Anyone who thinks it is a slam dunk will find that it isn't or wont be if it gets far enough along to be discussed for real.
Again, I don't want to get into the weeds on it right now but as an aside I will say that a political party probably does have the authority to remove a person as their nominee according to their rules. But that does not automatically mean the person is removed from the ballot. Depends on state laws, where you are in the election cycle and so on.
As I said above, I think one of the big differences is whether the voters were aware of an issue at the time of the election. For example, if Weiner had not resigned, I think Congress would be within their duty and powers to bounce his sorry arse out. But if he gets out of prison and decides to run for Congress or Senate and the voters know about his past, then the voters decision is supreme I think. The voters may think he is redeemed and they forgive him, they may think he is perverted arsehole but still better than the other person, or it may not be an important issue to them. That's up to the voters.
Congress and the Senate do have the power to set qualifications but you have to lay those out in advance and they have to be constitutional and they have to apply to all. The club cant just meet and decide who is okay and who isn't.
It is clear that constitution gives the senate the power to expel a senator for misconduct while in office. But it is vastly, vastly less clear that the Senate has the power to expel a senator for circumstances that were known to the voters at the time of the election and where senators may disagree on the interpretation or weight that should be given to those factors. The Framers definitely gave powers to the Senate to boot scoundrels and perverts out, but they definitely did not intend those powers to be used such that a little club meets and decides whether the person a state has elected meets their approval. What could go wrong there? Well, you can be sure they knew and that is why power was vested in the people and their duly elected representatives.
I dont' really have an interest in a full blown discussion on this. I am just sayin. Anyone who thinks it is a slam dunk will find that it isn't or wont be if it gets far enough along to be discussed for real.
Again, I don't want to get into the weeds on it right now but as an aside I will say that a political party probably does have the authority to remove a person as their nominee according to their rules. But that does not automatically mean the person is removed from the ballot. Depends on state laws, where you are in the election cycle and so on.
As I said above, I think one of the big differences is whether the voters were aware of an issue at the time of the election. For example, if Weiner had not resigned, I think Congress would be within their duty and powers to bounce his sorry arse out. But if he gets out of prison and decides to run for Congress or Senate and the voters know about his past, then the voters decision is supreme I think. The voters may think he is redeemed and they forgive him, they may think he is perverted arsehole but still better than the other person, or it may not be an important issue to them. That's up to the voters.
Congress and the Senate do have the power to set qualifications but you have to lay those out in advance and they have to be constitutional and they have to apply to all. The club cant just meet and decide who is okay and who isn't.
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I hope that Moore wins. At this point we have faint knowledge of what really happened but if that biatch Gloria Allred failed her mission it's a win for humanity. She took out that Black conservative guy a few years ago with allegations of sexual misconduct. The single biggest threat to libtards is a Black conservative for sure: without that locked up Black vote Democrats could not get dogcatcher jobs.
The latest accuser actually has an evidence-Moore's signature in her yearbook. So this proves that Moore knew her, even though he claimed otherwise.
I wouldn’t expect the vote to be close at all. The only senators that have not withdrawn their support for Moore are Cruz and Paul.
If it comes down to it I would think they would have to show a united front. I’d expect a vote of 99-0 or 98-1.
This is not something the senate will play games with. They will put him right in the middle of an investigation and turn his world upside down. He’ll most likely resign once he understands that all of his obscene behavior with teenage girls will become prime time tv.
There’s a truth many people are disregarding, Roy Moore is a sick pervert.
Cruz has now withdrawn support
Conservatism pedo is ok because of some other black guy.
And Cons tell us that they are not racists! It's all a giant coincidence!
You are correct, I think. After doing some reading I think the senate can only expel a member for what they may consider inappropriate behavior or actions for a senator while that senator is in office. I do not believe they can expel someone for activities that happened before a person ever became a senator. Could be wrong on that interpretation, but either way, we're going to see some serious political gymnastics with this situation.