Confiscation of retirement.

This is nuts.

The Government has 60 TRILLION in unfunded SS and Medicare abilities, as is.

How the fuck do they propose to generate 3% YOY - after inflation - on XX Trillions in retirement accounts??
 
Dont buy it ?

It's the talk of every media outlet and

now spans websites across the globe.

Still Don't believe it ?

This is a perfect plan to get access to

trillions of dollars.

The government is broke.


I suspect the market is going much

much lower - the sheep will be running to the government for another

"perceived handout"


This nation is weak, once this all pans

out ---- Red China will walk in and take

use over without firing a bullet.
 
New Post 11-08-08 09:03 AM

This is nuts.

The Government has 60 TRILLION in unfunded SS and Medicare abilities, as is.

How the fuck do they propose to generate 3% YOY - after inflation - on XX Trillions in retirement accounts??


They will do it buy never passing on your

$$ to your estate when die. The Gov will keep it
 
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New Post 11-08-08 09:03 AM

How the fuck do they propose to generate 3% YOY - after inflation - on XX Trillions in retirement accounts??
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The same way they make money by selling TIPS. They get to calculate what inflation is.

This is a backdoor tax.
 
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They are going to have to sell trillions in Treasury bonds to pay for the bailouts. The Asians aren't buying them any more.

You figure it out.
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Disagree. The Asians will show up even if the yields are negative.
 
People are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. They are withdrawing a portion of their earnings and dumping it in a 401k that is managed by a mutual fund, or a "professional" money manager. All this manager really does is buy the "market" in the form of a basket of stocks and then rides the market up and down without making any "management" decisions, and here you are blaming the Average Joe Investor for being a financial illiterate? Joe the Investor did exactly what he was supposed to do.

Now....now, the USG is going to steal what is left from this account -- which was mis-managed by the fund manager -- and hand it over to the SSA who will, in turn, buy bonds from a government that is going to default at some point in the future. Not only will Americans suffer from the stock market collapse but then they will suffer further from the default that is waiting out there. Americans will be broke when they retire, thanks to the USG. And, to boot, SSA is currently about $600B (don't have a source, it's just an estimate based on previous research) in the hole because Congress has repeatedly tapped this fund and replaced it with IOU's so they can build Project X. So now, the USG has a source to unload its debt on and another source for congress to steal from. How long will it be before this source of income has a deficit balance? Since when has the USG proven it is capable of managing its own finances, let alone the finances of others?

So here you are telling us what a wonderful job you have done providing for your own retirement but in the same breathe you are willingly surrendering the retirements of others? And you called me a <b>pompus jackass</b>?

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Nope. No IRA or 401K here. I made my money long ago mostly off the stupidity of other people. Perhaps you even donated some to me.

But see, thats my point. Most people are financially illiterate and had you taken the time to actually read what I wrote that may have even sunk in to you.

The fact is since individuals have supposidly "taken charge" of their retirement the results haven't been all that swell. But when you combine not saving enough with complete and total financial stupidity what do you expect? And like it or not those people are going to get older and older regardless of whether they can afford to or not.

Have a wonderful day you pompous jackass.
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People are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. They are withdrawing a portion of their earnings and dumping it in a 401k that is managed by a mutual fund, or a "professional" money manager. All this manager really does is buy the "market" in the form of a basket of stocks and then rides the market up and down without making any "management" decisions, and here you are blaming the Average Joe Investor for being a financial illiterate? Joe the Investor did exactly what he was supposed to do.

Now....now, the USG is going to steal what is left from this account -- which was mis-managed by the fund manager -- and hand it over to the SSA who will, in turn, buy bonds from a government that is going to default at some point in the future. Not only will Americans suffer from the stock market collapse but then they will suffer further from the default that is waiting out there. Americans will be broke when they retire, thanks to the USG. And, to boot, SSA is currently about $600B (don't have a source, it's just an estimate based on previous research) in the hole because Congress has repeatedly tapped this fund and replaced it with IOU's so they can build Project X. So now, the USG has a source to unload its debt on and another source for congress to steal from. How long will it be before this source of income has a deficit balance? Since when has the USG proven it is capable of managing its own finances, let alone the finances of others?

So here you are telling us what a wonderful job you have done providing for your own retirement but in the same breathe you are willingly surrendering the retirements of others? And you called me a <b>pompus jackass</b>?
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Don't waste your time. Deadwood's an idiot.

Probably turd3r's dad or something.
 
Promises, promises - I CANNOT BELIEVE people actually trust politicians!!!

If 401(k)'s are taken over, I wonder what the probability is that the gov will f-up like they did with SS....especially given a nice long timeline to do it in.

It is an interesting way to recapitalize the country....until the next bust. And we all realize how fragile the whole setup is anyway. Time to pull the money and buy CD's and treasuries and muni's - private recapitalization of the banking and government system.

Or, as one poster mentioned - chase them into these products!!
 
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That doesn't mean the gummint should confiscate their money and manage it for them you oxygen gobbling piece of shit.

WTF is wrong with you? Maybe you should try a different country if you think that's what government should be about.
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Fuck off you worthless piece of shit. Last I heard you were a goverment employee who couldn't fend for themselves. WHich given your lack of reading comprehension isn't all that surprising.

Sorry but the facts are the facts. Most people, including you, are too fucking stupid to manage their own money. Why the hell do you think were in this mess now?

Personally, I have no problem just letting poor people rot in fields somewhere but I doubt thats going to fly. And if they can't afford to live then who do you think is going to support them dumbass?

No ones saying it's going to happen or an ideal solution to anything. But the facts are clear that since retirement was turned over to individuals 20 years ago it hasn't worked and I see no reason to believe it will get any better.

So the bottomline is we are all going to pay for the stupidity sooner or later one way or another. The same way we're paying for your retirement through that cushy gov't pension plan. I'm sure most would take your deal over their 401K anyday.
 
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People are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. They are withdrawing a portion of their earnings and dumping it in a 401k that is managed by a mutual fund, or a "professional" money manager. All this manager really does is buy the "market" in the form of a basket of stocks and then rides the market up and down without making any "management" decisions, and here you are blaming the Average Joe Investor for being a financial illiterate? Joe the Investor did exactly what he was supposed to do.

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If you think that strategy will lead to a happy retirement then your just another idiot whose going to need my tax dollars someday to buy food.

Look I have mixed feeling on this. On the one hand, I strongly believe in individual rights and freedoms and the ability to succeed at any level. The problem is when you fail it costs me because there's no way in hell the government is going to make you pay for your mistakes, i.e. dying of starvation.

Your probably too young to know this but 401Ks and IRAs are a relatively new concept. Up until 20 years ago corporate America took responsibility for peoples retirement. The idea of turning that over to the individual makes a lot of sense on paper, but in reality most are ill equiped to manage their retirement funds and thats a fact.

But, even still, your missing the point altogether. My point isn't that gov't should do this, or even that they will anytime soon. My point is that sooner or later, one way or another, gov't will have to support these people because they simply will not have enough money to live on until they die.

If you could pull your head out of your ass long enough to think this through you would see that there is no question I am right about this point.
 
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