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You might be surprised who would sign up if they did that but nooooo....the party of Reagan is not good enuf for em.
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Surprised would be an understatement of immeasurable proportions. :D
 
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Surprised would be an understatement of immeasurable proportions. :D
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The current schizm between the GOP and the rest of America is social, it was never fiscal.

Let's clean up the deficit without trying to ban abortion, how about that?
 
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The current schizm between the GOP and the rest of America is social, it was never fiscal.

Let's clean up the deficit without trying to ban abortion, how about that?
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Not sure its that clear cut, what about all the people who expect govt money? People want national health insurance, they want the rich to pay an UNFAIR % of the bills, and then demonize them. They want their contraception paid for. They want their abortions paid for. They don't want us to utilize our own natural resources. And so on.. these all have a financial impact. I don't want to just clean up the deficit, I want the govt cut down in size and scope.. massively. I can't get on board with entitlements, any of them. Yeah, healthcare is a problem but I would rather see the infinitely wise govt promote a free market type solution. The truly poor receive money from the govt and if some of it has to go to their healthcare then that's the way it has to be. Obamacare is not going to fix problems, it is going to create them.

Also when I said abandon the social issues, i really meant the stigma attached to the GOP. I do think that the dems and obama have gone way overboard authoritarian, and the reps do need to oppose that shit. But when like, Laura Ingram starts ranting about porn star girls being victims.. lol shut up. Just let people be free and live how they want, but don't make the rest of us pay for it, or demand certain non criminal behavior. With individual freedom comes personal responsibility.

As for abortion, I can deal with the current law. But I am still uncomfortable knowing that most of those fetuses were going to develop into people. Anything later than the 3 months though should be considered a fucking crime (under normal circumstances).
 
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The current schizm between the GOP and the rest of America is social, it was never fiscal.

Let's clean up the deficit without trying to ban abortion, how about that?
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I believe Ron Paul ran on pretty much that platform. The Republicans are not going to ban abortion. it is just a hot button issue both parties use to rev up the people on either side of the issue.

I think there are many in the republican party who would be very happy to never hear about social issues again, but the democrats keep pushing the envelope with stuff that is totally unacceptable to most voters. Gay marriage for example. It's lost every time it's on the ballot, but they keep pushing it because it is so important to segments of their base, such as the wealthy homo crowd, hollywood, the media and the universities. So the social issue stuff is a two way street at the very least.

Democrats have no interest in addressing the deficit, except to use it as a vehicle to trick the republicans into agreeing to tax hikes. They used that same trick on Reagan and the first Bush. The idea of tax increases now in exchange for spending cuts later is a total nonstarter.

If democrats had any interest in cutting the deficit, they wouldn't have demonized the Tea Party. They rightfully saw the Tea Party as an existential threat to them, because the basic principle of the party is taking from one group and giving it to another.

Obama has elevated it to an art form almost. It's not just taxes. Look at these crazy lawsuits against banks for supposedly overcharging minorities for mortgages. What's next, a suit againt Coach for overcharging for bags? You don't like the deal they offer, go down the street to someone else. In obama's America it is against the law to negotiate a good deal, that is if you did it with some minority, who can then run to the Justice Department and demand money.
 
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I believe Ron Paul ran on pretty much that platform. The Republicans are not going to ban abortion. it is just a hot button issue both parties use to rev up the people on either side of the issue.

I think there are many in the republican party who would be very happy to never hear about social issues again, but the democrats keep pushing the envelope with stuff that is totally unacceptable to most voters. Gay marriage for example. It's lost every time it's on the ballot, but they keep pushing it because it is so important to segments of their base, such as the wealthy homo crowd, hollywood, the media and the universities. So the social issue stuff is a two way street at the very least.

Democrats have no interest in addressing the deficit, except to use it as a vehicle to trick the republicans into agreeing to tax hikes. They used that same trick on Reagan and the first Bush. The idea of tax increases now in exchange for spending cuts later is a total nonstarter.

If democrats had any interest in cutting the deficit, they wouldn't have demonized the Tea Party. They rightfully saw the Tea Party as an existential threat to them, because the basic principle of the party is taking from one group and giving it to another.

Obama has elevated it to an art form almost. It's not just taxes. Look at these crazy lawsuits against banks for supposedly overcharging minorities for mortgages. What's next, a suit againt Coach for overcharging for bags? You don't like the deal they offer, go down the street to someone else. In obama's America it is against the law to negotiate a good deal, that is if you did it with some minority, who can then run to the Justice Department and demand money.
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Said it much better than I did.
 
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I believe Ron Paul ran on pretty much that platform. The Republicans are not going to ban abortion. it is just a hot button issue both parties use to rev up the people on either side of the issue.

I think there are many in the republican party who would be very happy to never hear about social issues again, but the democrats keep pushing the envelope with stuff that is totally unacceptable to most voters. Gay marriage for example. It's lost every time it's on the ballot, but they keep pushing it because it is so important to segments of their base, such as the wealthy homo crowd, hollywood, the media and the universities. So the social issue stuff is a two way street at the very least.

Democrats have no interest in addressing the deficit, except to use it as a vehicle to trick the republicans into agreeing to tax hikes. They used that same trick on Reagan and the first Bush. The idea of tax increases now in exchange for spending cuts later is a total nonstarter.

If democrats had any interest in cutting the deficit, they wouldn't have demonized the Tea Party. They rightfully saw the Tea Party as an existential threat to them, because the basic principle of the party is taking from one group and giving it to another.

Obama has elevated it to an art form almost. It's not just taxes. Look at these crazy lawsuits against banks for supposedly overcharging minorities for mortgages. What's next, a suit againt Coach for overcharging for bags? You don't like the deal they offer, go down the street to someone else. In obama's America it is against the law to negotiate a good deal, that is if you did it with some minority, who can then run to the Justice Department and demand money.
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I'm puzzled by the attempt to demonize the Tea Party.

I can't recall them doing anything unlawful during their gatherings. They didn't litter, didn't confront police or otherwise riot. They did not try to blow up a bridge or threaten politicians or businesses. It seems to me that the Tea Party met peacefully and worked to put conservative candidates on the ballot. I didn't like all of their candidates, Sharon Angle comes to mind, but they seemed overall to have noble goals and worked peacefully towards those goals. I never saw any evidence of racist slogans or racist signs at Tea Party gatherings.

The stuff the left has said about the Tea Party seems undeserved. I think that the left considers dishonesty to be just another legitimate tool in their toolbox to be used to retain power at any cost.
 
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