Condi Rice Trial Balloon Sighted

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

By definition, a cult or addiction has negative consequences for the person, their family, loved ones, etc. I don't see that with Christianity, although obviously you can cite some wackos who are merely the exception who prove the rule. Even if it is all a fantasy, as you hypothosize, I don't see the harm and I see quite a few benefits from living a life in accordance with Christian principles. Again, people can make bad choices, any activity in which humans are involved will involve bad apples, etc so you can't paint with a broad brush and say any christian denomination or church is perfect, but neither am I willing to dismiss them out of hand.

The short answer to your question is that you can objectively identify negative consequences to a cult or addiction. You cannot objectively prove that Christianity is false. You can only substitute your own fallible human reasoning for proof. As one-time atheist C. S. Lewis observed, Jesus was either a liar, a crazy man or who He said He was. After a lengthy personal journey, Lewis, a reknowned intellectual, decided the only rational conclusion was the latter. I don't expect any of this to unmake your mind, but at least admit to yourself the possibility that you could be dead wrong.
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if you have to suspend human reasoning in order to believe is that a good thing?

Sometimes Christian apologists say there are only three options to who Jesus was: a liar, a lunatic or the Lord. But there is a fourth option: legend. (Bart Ehrman American New Testament scholar)



"Meanwhile, where is God? This is one of the most disquieting symptoms. When you are happy, so happy that you have no sense of needing Him, so happy that you are tempted to feel His claims upon you as an interruption, if you remember yourself and turn to Him with gratitude and praise, you will be — or so it feels — welcomed with open arms. But go to Him when your need is desperate, when all other help is vain, and what do you find? A door slammed in your face, and a sound of bolting and double bolting on the inside."
CS Lewis "A grief observed".
 
Quote from jem:

you always go back to the torture.

arguably there is little if no idea of "hell" in the old testament.

and the king james version with the three different names of hell are all jumbled up.

I think you are right to suspect God would not torture people forever.
I am sure there are plenty of misconceptions about existence outside of time.
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i have an idea. take it up with your fellow christians. step into most churches in america and scream there is no hell. see what kind of reception you get.
 
Quote from jem:

you always go back to the torture.

arguably there is little if no idea of "hell" in the old testament.

and the king james version with the three different names of hell are all jumbled up.

I think you are right to suspect God would not torture people forever.
I am sure there are plenty of misconceptions about existence outside of time.
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Really, the number one problem God belief faces is that God doesn't do shit. Or, He does everything. The problem is the same, actually.

Edit: not to say that God belief has no use, it obviously imparts courage to some. As we're all embarked on some kind of hero's journey, that's a legit use.
 
Quote from Mercor:

The problem is that the Republicans can't win the Presidency with moderate
candidates. McCain, Dole, Bush Sr, Ford....
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That should speak volumes to what the base of the GOP is, and what they are about.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

What happened here? I go to lunch for an hour and Condi for VP turns into God sucks. WTF?:D
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AAA was going to put FT on ignore, but he was just baiting him, and so the discussion turned theological.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I certainly wouldn't have thought so, but apparently I am wrong. It pains me to say this, but a lot of republican voters are not overly sophisticated.
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Most voters don't have any clue what's going on. between work, kids, paying bills, complying with govt demands, and occasionally trying to enjoy their increasingly shitty lives.. they just don't have the time to pay attention and really dig into what each candidate/party is all about. It is why the Bain attacks are working, people come home and put on CNN or PMSNBC and hear all about how Romney took down the economy single handed, and it sticks.

That said the Reps could really use some help, the last two campaigns, even adjusted for the overwhelming media bias, have been sub par (so far). The reps need to forget the social issues and focus in total on becoming the fiscal conservative party again. Agree with you on abandoning compromise, Romney's slogan should be: where as obama wants to take a scalpel to the fed budget, I want to drop a F****** bomb.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

What happened here? I go to lunch for an hour and Condi for VP turns into God sucks. WTF?:D
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lol on a roll Cap.. the other post was hilarious too.
 
Quote from PiggyBank:

The reps need to forget the social issues and focus in total on becoming the fiscal conservative party again.
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You might be surprised who would sign up if they did that but nooooo....the party of Reagan is not good enuf for em.
 
Quote from PiggyBank:

lol on a roll Cap.. the other post was hilarious too.
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Took a long weekend, had my annual physical and the doc tells me I'll live another day...life is good. Give it time, I'll be back ranting and raving about something.:eek:
 
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