Computer beats human experts at poker

Excellent explanation. That all makes perfect sense to me. Esp. like the one about winning large pots with good hands since theres not so much contrast with your typical bet.




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Maybe mistake is not the most accurate term because it assumes a conscience poor decision.

Example: I'm in the small blind and action folds around to me. I have 3 different decisions - fold, call and raise. The big blind has 2 decisions - check or raise. If I raise, which I will almost always do, I introduce another variable and another way for me to win (if he folds) and a possible wrong choice for him if he calls and loses more or folds - a decision or chain of events that was not available until I raised.

I did say aggressive *generally* because you are correct - it can backfire if not aplied properly. My game is mostly agressive. It gives me an edge.

I am usually the villian. Thats an edge.

My play will tighen up most players and loosen up others which introduces more poor decisions. It takes players out of thier comfort zone. Thats an edge.

I will raise with 7 - 8 and know that most people will only call with premium hands to try to make the nutz and trap me. If they dont hit I take the pot. If they do hit they will bet or check raise me (which I'm used to) and I get away from the hand cheap. On the other hand some guy with AA will find it almost impossible to get away and lose his whole stack if I hit big on the flop. Thats an edge.

Aggressive players like me get just as many big hands like AA or KK as tight players but unlike them who'll drag a small pot with AA I'll take a large one as most will not give me credit for a real hand after seeing that I'll raise just as easy with 7 - 8. I get paid when I hit big hands. Thats an edge.

After seeing me raise and limp with AA as well as 7 - 8 my opponenets will have a very hard time putting me on a hand. Thats an edge.

The way to beat me is for my opponents to change the way *they* play. Thats an edge.

Maybe they'll succeed in getting me to not put so much pressure on them but I'll still pick on the other 8 players until they wise up. Thats an edge.

If the whole table wises up I'll switch gears and play tighter while they start playing looser. Advantage goes to me for the most part because they will try to play like I was which is not thier natural game and still not give me credit for a hand and I'll continue to get paid.

For sure there are aggressive players who suck and play like a maniac and will win big on occasion but for the most part they'll lose because unlike me they are not effectively using the edge that aggressive play provides.
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who cares? hold em is a retarded game based mostly on luck.

i've seen total newbies with 15 minutes of lifetime experience beat experienced people, not once but multiple times.

let's see a total newb beat an experienced tennis, golf, chess, pool or basketball player?
 
Quote from blackjack007:

who cares? hold em is a retarded game based mostly on luck.

i've seen total newbies with 15 minutes of lifetime experience beat experienced people, not once but multiple times.

let's see a total newb beat an experienced tennis, golf, chess, pool or basketball player?
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you MUST be right about the luck too many no-name newbs with bracelets :confused:

why is it every numbnut thinks they are a genius card shark?
 
Quote from blackjack007:

who cares? hold em is a retarded game based mostly on luck.

i've seen total newbies with 15 minutes of lifetime experience beat experienced people, not once but multiple times.

let's see a total newb beat an experienced tennis, golf, chess, pool or basketball player?
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Says the guy with blackjack in his screen name.
 
Quote from bigmrfrank:

From a sheer math and logic point of view poker is a game of mistakes. He who makes the fewest wins the most $$. Constantly putting decisions on your opponents puts them in a position to make a mistake. That's the essense of succesful poker whether you're a live player or a bot. Matters little whether you hold the nutz or bluff ... constant pressure will force errors.
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I like that view. Sounds a lot like stock trading.
 
Quote from bigmrfrank:

Maybe mistake is not the most accurate term because it assumes a conscience poor decision.

Example: I'm in the small blind and action folds around to me. I have 3 different decisions - fold, call and raise. The big blind has 2 decisions - check or raise. If I raise, which I will almost always do, I introduce another variable and another way for me to win (if he folds) and a possible wrong choice for him if he calls and loses more or folds - a decision or chain of events that was not available until I raised.

I did say aggressive *generally* because you are correct - it can backfire if not aplied properly. My game is mostly agressive. It gives me an edge.

I am usually the villian. Thats an edge.

My play will tighen up most players and loosen up others which introduces more poor decisions. It takes players out of thier comfort zone. Thats an edge.

I will raise with 7 - 8 and know that most people will only call with premium hands to try to make the nutz and trap me. If they dont hit I take the pot. If they do hit they will bet or check raise me (which I'm used to) and I get away from the hand cheap. On the other hand some guy with AA will find it almost impossible to get away and lose his whole stack if I hit big on the flop. Thats an edge.

Aggressive players like me get just as many big hands like AA or KK as tight players but unlike them who'll drag a small pot with AA I'll take a large one as most will not give me credit for a real hand after seeing that I'll raise just as easy with 7 - 8. I get paid when I hit big hands. Thats an edge.

After seeing me raise and limp with AA as well as 7 - 8 my opponenets will have a very hard time putting me on a hand. Thats an edge.

The way to beat me is for my opponents to change the way *they* play. Thats an edge.

Maybe they'll succeed in getting me to not put so much pressure on them but I'll still pick on the other 8 players until they wise up. Thats an edge.

If the whole table wises up I'll switch gears and play tighter while they start playing looser. Advantage goes to me for the most part because they will try to play like I was which is not thier natural game and still not give me credit for a hand and I'll continue to get paid.

For sure there are aggressive players who suck and play like a maniac and will win big on occasion but for the most part they'll lose because unlike me they are not effectively using the edge that aggressive play provides.
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this is assuming you are playing with a bunch of newbs. Lets assume you are not. This type of play will get figured out quickly, obviously a bad player will let you know he figured it out, while a shark will just give you enough rope to hang yourself....peace
 
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this is assuming you are playing with a bunch of newbs. Lets assume you are not. This type of play will get figured out quickly, obviously a bad player will let you know he figured it out, while a shark will just give you enough rope to hang yourself....peace
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Of course I've heard that argument a thousand times and so has every other aggressive player such as Doyle, Gus and 90% of the playing populus that is truly successful. There's not enough rope in the world to hang us all. Yeah, never play 4 - 6 offsuit out of position - bla bla bla. Truth is, most players wish they were aggresive but just dont have the balls. Here's another truth - most very good aggressive players are also very good tight aggressive players but you'll rarely find a good TA player that is also good LA. I can play TA players without looking at my cards. I can also play a violent TA game when the table is full of loose players. A shark will do what? Win one pot off me IF he manages to trap me?? Check raise me?? LOL. For me that's like a freeroll. I can get away from a hand at will - can the "shark" when I have the nutz? So I give back a few bucks I took off him or the other dead money at the table - big deal. I've sat at 100s of tables with other very good players and for the most part we're looking for the same - the dead money so there not to much of a clash and not much fireworks when we do. Tourneys are different of course. And for the record - I'll admit I always look for the softest games at the highest stakes I can find. The dead money. I'm not looking to challenge myself or see how good I am against those of equal skill. Fuck that. I'm looking to fleece the sheep and use them to fund the lifestyle I'm used to - same goes for my trading.
 
Quote from bigmrfrank:

. And for the record - I'll admit I always look for the softest games at the highest stakes I can find. The dead money. I'm not looking to challenge myself or see how good I am against those of equal skill. Fuck that. I'm looking to fleece the sheep and use them to fund the lifestyle I'm used to - same goes for my trading.
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the sheep are in the lower stake tables. I welcome aggressive play those are the people that fund my lifestyle and keep me going back to the track....peace
 
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