Compliance to "diversity" and "affirmative action" cost 4% of GDP each year.

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I guess pilots down saaaaoowwwth don't take biology...
Actually I didn't, I took history, chemistry, physics and calculus.
 
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I'll guaran-Gawd damn-tee that Goober, Gomer, Newt, Bubba and the rest of the klan are right proud.
That's a hell of a lot of name calling for someone who lamb bastes anyone else for ad hom and name calling. But then hypocrisy has always been one of your few strong points.
 
Say I am the worst hypocrite and the greatest user of logical fallacies...

How does that make those I expose as hypocrites and users of logical fallacies any less guilty of being hypocrites and users of logical fallacies?

Come on Mr. cab driver in the sky, tell me how what I might do wrong, makes those who also do wrong right?

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That's a hell of a lot of name calling for someone who lamb bastes anyone else for ad hom and name calling. But then hypocrisy has always been one of your few strong points.
 
Fallacy of distribution doesn't apply, as I've already demonstrated the position:

"In theory, we have the intellectual and moral tools to defuse the dangers. "Is" does not imply "ought." Group differences, when they exist, pertain to averages, not to individual men and women. There are geniuses and dullards, saints and sinners, in every race, ethnicity, and gender. Political equality is a commitment to universal human rights, and to policies that treat people as individuals rather than as representatives of groups; it is not an empirical claim that people are indistinguishable. Many commentators seem unwilling to grasp these points. "

Your accusation is an empty one, based on semantics. By lucrum's criteria, whites would also be a "sub-species", as would asians, et al.



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"Sub species maybe?"

So blacks are a "sub" species?

Keep digging that whole you are in...

"I don't see how dealing in obvious generalities necesarily results in pre judging."

Obvious generalities? Other than the color of a black's skin, what are the "obvious" generalities?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_distribution

I tend to believe that there are sufficient differences leading some to being better at some things than others.

Some are better than others, but race is not a determinate factor necessarily. Just ask Larry Bird.

""I'm making split second, multimillion dollar, life and death decisions."

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...highlight=split
 
Ahh, straight for the PC orthodoxy, PBS, no less... LOL!!!

Sickle cell is evidence of "african-ness", what a coincidence... It's found in the very regions of Europe which are nearest Africa, and have been shown to have African admixutre. Of course, it occurs at a much lower rate than it does in north american or west african blacks...

Notice the innuendo on the wicked and oppressive nature of whites- "they must be "polluted" with African blood". No one said that having African blood constitutes "pollution", it was just another Mccarthyistic pejorative jab to portray whites negatively.

No one in the population genetics world disputes that sickle cell is the result of a genetic mutation which developed in, and is rarely found outside of African or African descended populations.

This is all, of course, to ignore the glaring stupidity which is the notion that the entire case for race being a biological reality rests on sickle cell being an African genetic development (which of course it is).

This is of course to ignore the many other genetic disorder which rarely affect anyone outside of a certain racial group.

This is to ignore the fact that gestation period significantly vary between racial groups.

This is to ignore the fact that various racial groups experience the onset of puberty at differing ages, consistently and reliably.

All of this is willful ignorance, and selective reasoning, so as to wish away the fact of biological races, and replace it with the myth that races don't exist. A myth which is offensive to anyone who is proud of his or her own ancestry.

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http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-01-07.htm

And so to find sickle cell was to find evidence of African-ness by definition. It was typological. If a person from Italy had sickle cell, it must be because they had some African blood - they must be polluted with African blood

The right story - and I think the much more interesting story - emerged in the 1950s. And that was with a couple of discoveries. The first one was a discovery that sickle cell, which is a change in red blood cells that gives it a sickle shape, actually confers an advantage in fighting malaria. An individual who has one sickle cell allele, but not both - what we call sickle cell 'trait' - has a selective advantage in situations in which you have endemic malaria. Individuals who had sickle cell trait seemed to resist malaria better than other individuals. And malaria is, and has been, one of the greatest killers of humanity of all time. If ever there is a selective pressure, malaria is it. And so those individuals might actually survive and prosper, and then the number of subsequent individuals with sickle cell trait would increase in a population because that allele would be selected for.

Well, that's one thing. The other thing was to actually take a close look at where malaria actually arose and became endemic and severe. Then also to look at who has sickle cell. Frank Livingston did this, and lo and behold the two maps matched extremely well. Places in which malaria was endemic, and had been endemic for a long time, were exactly the places in which sickle cell was highest. Conversely, places where endemic malaria was rather low were places in which sickle cell was virtually non-existent.

He had more than a smoking gun there. He had a nice evolutionary story and a rather tight one about how, perhaps, 5,000 years ago, for instance, in West Africa, endemic malaria became a serious problem when people started cutting down forests in the origins of agriculture. And individuals who had sickle cell were selected for, and it expanded.

Sickle cell isn't an African disease. It is true that some Africans have sickle cell, particularly individuals who have ancestry around West Africa. That's one of the highest places of sickle cell. But, it's also true that East Africans hardly have any sickle cell. South Africans don't have any sickle cell. But, it's also a Middle Eastern disease, and it's also a Mediterranean disease. Individuals in Turkey and Greece and Italy, Sicily, have sickle cell; more than individuals do in South Africa, or in East Africa. So, sickle cell is not an African disease; it's a condition that developed in response to malaria."
 
Oh really? Care to tell me anymore about what *I* think? Care to tell me any more about what my own thoughts are?

You need to play fair. I didn't put words in your mouth, and make up lies about you, why do you feel the need to do so?

An anti-white slur of "racism" against a white, from a non-white. Big surprise there...

It depends on what your definition of "fundamental" differences are, but yes, there are real, biological differences between whites and nonwhites. Also between blacks and non blacks, asians and non asians, so on, so forth. The only distinctions are not uniquely between whites and non whites. To pretend otherwise, and ignore the large plethora of human biodiversity is utter ignorance.

I am also amused by your implicit definition of "racism"- anyone who thinks races exist... LOL!!! If you think races exist, you are a "racist". :D Good one... I guess you just indicted much of the scientific world. Time for an inquisition!

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Well, you have more fortitude than I, as I knew this but did not have the energy to do battle with a phenotype that I have done battle with so many times before. Thanks for putting up the facts, but it will change few minds.

Phenomena believes there are fundamental differences between whites and non-whites. He will not answer the question of "what next".

I conceded on purpose just to see what his "solution" would be.
 
Well that's good news then. Since races don't exist, "racism" is an absurd notion. Therefore, we should not have any laws against it, or practices which favor one race over another in terms of jobs, education funding, protection under the law, university admissions criteria, or anything else. Since it is imaginary, there shouldn't be any laws regulating it.

Hence, because this is your belief, you should be standing up against any regulation or law against racism. You should be opposed to any racial quotas. You shouldn't be in favor of any "diversity" because any perceived difference is actually imaginary. Hence, "diversity" serves no purpose and is in pursuit of an imaginary goal.

Wolves are canines, so are grey hounds and poodles. Any perceived difference between wolves, grey hounds, and poodles, are imaginary, since they are, after all, all dogs. Any perceived difference between poodles and greyhounds is imaginary, or a product of "breedism".

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Q: Aren't the different races of people subspecies of Homo sapien? Just like, for example, the Gray wolf (lupis) and Red wolf (rufus) are subspecies of Canis (canine). And to the people this offends, it shouldn't. Humans are animals after all. All the races.


A: Absolutely not. There are no sub-sepcies of Homo sapiens. All 6 billion of us are a single interbreeding population. Racial differences are notable only for certain phenotypic characteristics (skin color, facial features, etc.) that give the illusion of separate populations. DNA sequencing tells a different story.

In reality, there is just as much genetic variability between any two blacks, any two Caucasians, etc., than there is between two members of different races. For humans, "race" is not a genetically meaningful concept.

BTW, the red wolf and the grey wolf are different species (not sub-species), both belong to the genus Canis.
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I guess pilots down saaaaoowwwth don't take biology...
 
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Say I am the worst hypocrite and the greatest user of logical fallacies...

How does that make those I expose as hypocrites and users of logical fallacies any less guilty of being hypocrites and users of logical fallacies?

Come on Mr. cab driver in the sky, tell me how what I might do wrong, makes those who also do wrong right?

LOL!!! In the midst of denying the use of logical fallacies he makes an ad hom attack, a classic logical fallacy... :D
 
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