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neophyte321

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Any brainiacs out there able to help me properly digest this?
Simply, a continuation of the "It takes a village" theme?


http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/16/D8KPTQSG1.html

The term is "common good," and it's catching on as a way to describe liberal values and reach religious voters who rejected Democrats in the 2004 election. Led by the Center for American Progress, a Washington think-tank, party activists hope the phrase will do for them what "compassionate conservative" did for the Republicans.

"It's a core value that we think organizes the entire political agenda for progressives," said John Halpin, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. "With the rise of materialism, greed and corruption in American society, people want a return to a better sense of community _ sort of a shared sacrifice, a return to the ethic of service and duty."



Liberalism == Forced Volunteerism ...
ie; an untenable philosophy.



I know the liberals here are all smiles about this... "It's about time the government start forcing people to do things for me!" I think Mao-Tse-Tung used this as a campaign slogan also.

The best thing someone could do is start a success business, hire a bunch of people, and generate lots of wealth. Not sure where this fits into the "Common Good" campaign theme... Oh yeah, that's how they justify taxing the hell out of people, hindering business to redistrubute income...
 
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The best thing someone could do is start a success business, hire a bunch of people, and generate lots of wealth.
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If your business pollutes the environment (because it lets you generate more wealth), "the commond good" concept would force you to do things the right way and dispose of your contaminated waste properly (albeit at an additional cost to you). Your business will generate a little less wealth but thousands of your neighbors will not lose their health and their lives because of your selfish and irresponsible actions. Do you simpleton understand the concept of the common good now or you need more examples?
 
Forced volunteerism?

Must kill you klannish to think of helping out your fellow man...

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Any brainiacs out there able to help me properly digest this?
Simply, a continuation of the "It takes a village" theme?


http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/16/D8KPTQSG1.html

The term is "common good," and it's catching on as a way to describe liberal values and reach religious voters who rejected Democrats in the 2004 election. Led by the Center for American Progress, a Washington think-tank, party activists hope the phrase will do for them what "compassionate conservative" did for the Republicans.

"It's a core value that we think organizes the entire political agenda for progressives," said John Halpin, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. "With the rise of materialism, greed and corruption in American society, people want a return to a better sense of community _ sort of a shared sacrifice, a return to the ethic of service and duty."



Liberalism == Forced Volunteerism ...
ie; an untenable philosophy.



I know the liberals here are all smiles about this... "It's about time the government start forcing people to do things for me!" I think Mao-Tse-Tung used this as a campaign slogan also.

The best thing someone could do is start a success business, hire a bunch of people, and generate lots of wealth. Not sure where this fits into the "Common Good" campaign theme... Oh yeah, that's how they justify taxing the hell out of people, hindering business to redistrubute income...
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Liberals are very creative at coming up with excuses for taking other peoples' money. The "common good" is a slippery concept at best. Liberals look at capitalism and see nothing but pain, unfairness and unchecked greed. Others see it as the most efficient way ever devised of increasing the wealth of a society.
 
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Liberals are very creative at coming up with excuses for taking other peoples' money. The "common good" is a slippery concept at best. Liberals look at capitalism and see nothing but pain, unfairness and unchecked greed. Others see it as the most efficient way ever devised of increasing the wealth of a society.
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The inevitable result of unbriddled capitalism is that the entire society works harder and longer, creates more and more wealth and then 5% of the society pockets all of that extra wealth and more while 95% of the society are getting poorer, that's exactly what's being going on during the last 6 years and that's what liberals are fighting against.

The distribution/redistribution of wealth BTW has nothing to do with the concept of "common good".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_good
 
Yes, liberals often do see pain, unfairness, and unchecked greed...because there is unfairness, pain, and unchecked greed.

The laws that are written to protect the wealthy by the working class?

LOL!

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Liberals are very creative at coming up with excuses for taking other peoples' money. The "common good" is a slippery concept at best. Liberals look at capitalism and see nothing but pain, unfairness and unchecked greed. Others see it as the most efficient way ever devised of increasing the wealth of a society.
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If your business pollutes the environment (because it lets you generate more wealth), "the commond good" concept would force you to do things the right way and dispose of your contaminated waste properly (albeit at an additional cost to you). Your business will generate a little less wealth but thousands of your neighbors will not lose their health and their lives because of your selfish and irresponsible actions. Do you simpleton understand the concept of the common good now or you need more examples?
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Yes, I agree completely. If you ADVERSELY EFFECT the "Common Good", there should be consequences. By All Means! And these do occur. But if this same business is FORCED to VOLUNTEER it's production for the "Common Good", that's called Marxism. AND you ain't gonna win too many elections on that platform in the good ol' US of A.

(Of Course, there are businesses that are allowed to generate cultural pollution, for instance "Girls Gone Wild", but we certainly can't censor Television commercials, now can we?! That's Facism!)

Even after Welfare destroyed huge tracks of society, destroyed the family structure, people are still buying the line that the government is the best means to defend the "Common Good"...

Good god, and for six years we've been hearing dire warnings coming from the Left about facism, nazism, and hitler .,. A much greater tendency is for people to surrender themselves to some fanciful idea the government conjures about the "Common Good".

Basically it all boils down to envy, those who haven't succeed don't blame themselves, they blame the system, and the evil rich who are hoarding everything for themselves.


It's funny, people like to talk about "wealth" as if it's some finite measurement. Weath is CREATED, and those who are the wealthiest, typically have CREATED that wealth for themselves and many,many others. Outside of traders of course, who generally create nothing in a zero sum game... Sorry Folks. The waltons are billionaires because they've gone from 0 to 400B in market cap. (Now we will get a long diatribe about walmart ruining the world ... perhaps I should have used Apple Computers as an example)

at least that's the way I see it...
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It's putting lipstick on a pig IMO. The Dems are trying to tap into the religious voters by painting themselves are following the teachings of Jesus (help the poor, etc) while tarring the Reps with being only looking out for the rich.

eg: Mark 10:21:

"Jesus looking at him loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack. Go, sell whatever you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me, taking up the cross."

Might just work this time around.

And maybe a couple years of Democrats back as the majority is what the GOP (now known as "grope our pages party") needs to win in '08.

Seneca
 
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But if this same business is FORCED to VOLUNTEER it's production for the "Common Good", that's called Marxism. AND you ain't gonna win too many elections on that platform in the good ol' US of A.
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Fair enough but what business is forced to VOLUNTEER its production for the "Common Good" in the good ol' US of A? That's just not happening in this country and I doubt you can quote a single mainstream democrat or a liberal promoting these kinds of policies.
 
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