Coming to terms with my feelings. Long, sorry.

Max E. said:
I know alot of people who agree with you, talked to a trader i know who is worth about 10 mill, and he is simply going to renounce his citizenship, and then keep living in the states, part time, and pay no taxes, he doesnt have, or want kids, too many people are tired of this shit, we have hit critical mass.

On the bright side, the economy is going to burn to a crisp over the next 4 years, once Obama starts raising taxes, and his radical new regulations with the EPA get into place, on top of Obamacare, the economy has no chance, and thankfully as a trader i make much more in the high volatility in a down market.

In 2008 when i had my best year ever, I kept pretty quiet about it because everyone else was hurting so badly, this time, I am going to laugh at all the green haired nose ring wearing occuturds, as the government goes broke and traders make millions off of it, the whole way down.
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Careful now, big guy, markets actually went up under Obama, not down, but here's the kicker. In 2020, a giant pandemic will be exasperated under President Trump creating a large quick correction at which point you'll short it like there is no tomorrow and lose a ton of money in the process. Couldn't have happened to a "nicer" guy. Karma sandwich anyone ?
 
BeautifulStranger said:
How are your feelings about the 2020 Election results? At least as currently indicated?
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Obviously OP was extremely messed up in 2012 so much so that he didn't want to visit his Mother just because she voted for Obama. You are following a similar path now. Maybe you can learn something from what occurred only 8 years since to Max E and Denner. OP who seems to understand now it was a destructive personal path; which path will you follow ?
 
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I think it is sad people are disowning members of family or refusing to visit them because of political discussions or who they voted for. That means the family ties were never that strong to begin with and you finally found a excuse to blame it on something. It is just politics. Unless Trump or Biden came into your house and did something for you personally they don't give a shit about you after you voted.

But if you place them in a position higher than family and friends.....says more about you than them.

I have 3 friends on Facebook that 1 is die hard Dem and the other Trump lovers and they have 20-30 line threads arguing on Facebook. They were fraternity brothers. When the talk turns to football from their university they speak like old friends and end with wishing each other happy holidays or whatever is coming up.

This is addressed to all of you cutting out friends and family over elections or some of you so bat shit crazy about what happened you need to educate the world.
 
Nine_Ender said:
Obviously OP was extremely messed up in 2012 so much so that he didn't want to visit his Mother just because she voted for Obama. You are following a similar path now. Maybe you can learn something from what occurred only 8 years since to Max E and Denner. OP who seems to understand now it was a destructive personal path; which path will you follow ?
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Politics, like football has yet to adversly affect my personal, offline relationships. As I’ve stated several times before, if Biden is sworn in and ultimately Harris, I will be open minded and give them at least three months before drawing conclusions about their character, agenda, and leadership ability. I understand and expect some of their policies will annoy me and there will be cringeworthy moments, but in the end, will they be more about building up the United States or about consolodating political power? Are Biden and Kamala going to see 74 million Trump voters as “Deplorables” and use this to justify “Punishing” them for being so “Stupid” to support Trump or are they going to realize the consumer and business confidence of the other side will determine if they are willing to take risks, invest, and spend in job creating and tax generating ventures? Besides, don’t we all benefit when each side is willing to fully contribute towards mutually beneficial goals?
 
El OchoCinco said:
I think it is sad people are disowning members of family or refusing to visit them because of political discussions or who they voted for. That means the family ties were never that strong to begin with and you finally found a excuse to blame it on something. It is just politics. Unless Trump or Biden came into your house and did something for you personally they don't give a shit about you after you voted.

But if you place them in a position higher than family and friends.....says more about you than them.

I have 3 friends on Facebook that 1 is die hard Dem and the other Trump lovers and they have 20-30 line threads arguing on Facebook. They were fraternity brothers. When the talk turns to football from their university they speak like old friends and end with wishing each other happy holidays or whatever is coming up.

This is addressed to all of you cutting out friends and family over elections or some of you so bat shit crazy about what happened you need to educate the world.
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I'm sure OP repaired his relationship w/his lib friend and family when he voted for Trump twice.
 
Tsing Tao said:
I don't usually make new threads on this forum unless there is a significant point I am trying to make - I would rather latch on to someone else's similar idea and expand from there. I'm not sure why I'm even posting this. Perhaps I'm doing it for therapeutic purposes? There is some strange comfort in typing my jumbled thoughts out in a clear manner for me to sift through afterwards. Maybe this will help me come to terms with the travesty of what occurred on Tuesday evening. It will likely be long winded, with the usual right wing posters on one side agreeing, and the left ones throwing insults, but c'est la vie. I don't plan on fighting any of you on this topic, so if it makes you feel better to flame me, have at it.

To say that I am disappointed with the election results would be an understatement. I severely miscalculated the level of intelligence in the general populace, giving far more emphasis to logic than emotion. As my (once) good friend (a very liberal voter) told me at one time - I am not typical in my thinking. He meant this as a compliment, elaborating that I tend to cut out emotion entirely when I do my analysis and determine which decision makes sense. He is a good person, though I can no longer spend time with him, as his belief of the country's direction differs too great from my own. Additionally, my mother and step-father voted Obama, and I have canceled my Christmas visit to New Jersey to spend time with them. They are hurt, but I find myself not caring at all.

I am resentful. I don't want to be, but I simply can't help it. I tried to determine why I am so angry, and in my true nature, dissecting my feelings in the attempt to determine whether it is the immature fact that my "horse" lost the race, or something far deeper. I don't care that much when my Steelers lose a football game. I don't care when i lose a pickup hoops game. It's it about losing? I don't think so.

I think what is really bothering me is that what is so clear to me is so lost on them. When I asked my family, or friends that voted Obama, why they did so, none of them could articulate a substantial reason. If someone was gay, and they did so because gay rights are the number one reason for them, THAT is a substantial reason. I can accept that. But when asked, none of the folks I mentioned could articulate anything than "I don't like Mitt Romney." When I asked them why, they mumbled a bunch of MSNBC talking points that weren't even factually accurate. They voted, then returned to the latest Hollywood gossip shows, or reality TV and forgot about the country again. They cast a vote that would substantially affect the future of the country, with all the seriousness and focus of someone picking out a bag of chips in the grocery aisle. "I don't like Pringles. What do you want me to say?"

Further alarming, is that this type of thinking is growing. It is on the rise. Educated voters are disappearing. What remains is a mob of sheep who find themselves "caring" about the direction of the country for one month every 4 years - who pretend to be experts on all decision making, but really only regurgitate the latest talking points from their biased tv outlets. I think this is what disappointed me most - knowing that this is now the majority of the country, and the battle is lost. Yes, that's it! Holy crap - it's the understanding that the battle is lost. Permanently. If someone like Obama can win given the last four years of utter disaster, then there will never be a time in the future where facts matter any longer. It is all emotion and spin.

So, as I come to terms with this, I have realized a few things that I will change in my life. I can no longer afford to take the moral high ground on decisions made. Being a responsible citizen no longer pays off. The only who will prosper in this nation are those who are net takers. Karma is no longer relevant, religion is a past-time that yields no fruit. It is time to become part of the rat race and take what I can before the whole damned system comes crashing down around us. Some changes I will enact in my life.

I will compromise much less with people in the attempt to be polite and nice.

My friends and family who are naive and unwilling to leave the herd (even on the other side of the spectrum) and are content to plow through life oblivious to what world they are walking in will be written off. I will not spend my time around them.

I will no longer buy what I can get for free. This doesn't mean larceny, of course, but it does mean thinks like movies and music. I've long supported buying originals instead of using the net to get it for free. No longer.

I've been giving 5% of my salary to charity for over a decade. I will cut that immediately. I will no longer donate anything to anyone.

I will immediately seek an international position in my company so that I can take advantage of dual citizenship to place assets internationally.

I will make sure I take advantage of any possible tax loophole I can.

I will surround myself with like-minded, conservative thinkers who are preparing for the collapse of our financial well being. This will likely result in me becoming more extreme, but I don't care. It's us versus them for me, now.

I will accelerate my project of solace in the Smoky Mountains, and that will serve as solace should I need it. And I will stock pile all the necessary things to keep that place sustainable.

Finally, I will focus on my family and myself, and no longer try to educate or help society become a better place.

As negative as all this is (and I know it is), I find myself OK with that. I am fine with nursing the cynic and killing all the hope I ever had.

And having written all this, I feel better now. Strange how that is.
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FortuneTeller said:
You know what is really scary about those 3 pictures, Kamala could be the next Dem Prez after Obama and Joe. :(
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When I think of great Women leaders, world stage, #1 Thatcher comes to mind. Golda Meir, maybe Merkel for a current candidate, there’s others........ but each of them commanded attention when they entered the room, each had/have an air of distinction, something unique and special about them.

Kamala Harris has zero of that.

She was ousted first round in the primaries. She was picked strictly for gender and ethnicity and rode Biden’s coattails into office. Heaven help us if she becomes POTUS.
 
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