Coming to terms with my feelings. Long, sorry.

~~~ · Nov 13, 2012

Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

You seem to harbour an illusion that you are a moral person, trying to do the right thing in a world that rewards selfishness and venality. But you betray your true motives - you are not, or were not, trying to do the right thing for the sake of virtue; you were doing it in the hope of achieving various rewards that would satisfy your ego. E.g. success, making the world a better place, and so on. Now those rewards seem to you (probably incorrectly IMO - you really think the voting populace have ever been some kind of enlightened philosopher-citizens?) to have disappeared, you lose interest in 'doing good'.

If you were in a concentration camp in 1944, or some other truly dire situation, then I could empathise with your weakness. But the reality is that you are one of the most privileged and spoiled human beings in the history of the cosmos, by virtue of being a 1st world citizen with (presumably) gainful employment, full mental faculties, and no serious health issues.

It is therefore clear that your self-professed virtue was not done for virtuous reasons at all, but was just done to satisfy your own selfish desires - to see the world become how you want it to become. True virtue is not done for consequences, it is done out of duty, for its own sake. A truly virtuous action is heroic precisely because it remains so even in ignominious failure - the effort and intention itself is what gives it merit.

I suggest you do an honest reassessment of your own life and value system. If you truly want to be 'good', then it doesn't matter a damn if one navy-suited politician has limited power for 4 years instead of another, especially in the USA where separation of powers is stronger than almost any other country except Switzerland. What matters is that you are committed to furthering your honest, unselfish perception of the greater good, and gain honour and glory by pursuing it to the best of your ability. Anything else is just selfish reactionary old-fart bullshit.

Don't become one of those pathetic ranting old gits, forever moaning about how the world has gone to hell. We see them in every generation, and they are wrong every time. You are in danger of becoming the modern-day equivalent of 1860s former plantation owners nostalgic about the passing of slavery.

Nothing is more laughable than a privileged person whining about how hard they have it. Try being a 3rd world citizen, hard-working but fucked over by the corrupt and powerful, or stuffed due to being born in hard circumstances not of your own making. Then you wouldn't whine like a bitch about such trivialities as not always having the world turn out like you want.

Get a grip and harden the fuck up.

+2 .. Well Said ! Sir !

RedDuke · Nov 13, 2012

Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

You seem to harbour an illusion that you are a moral person, trying to do the right thing in a world that rewards selfishness and venality. But you betray your true motives - you are not, or were not, trying to do the right thing for the sake of virtue; you were doing it in the hope of achieving various rewards that would satisfy your ego. E.g. success, making the world a better place, and so on. Now those rewards seem to you (probably incorrectly IMO - you really think the voting populace have ever been some kind of enlightened philosopher-citizens?) to have disappeared, you lose interest in 'doing good'.

If you were in a concentration camp in 1944, or some other truly dire situation, then I could empathise with your weakness. But the reality is that you are one of the most privileged and spoiled human beings in the history of the cosmos, by virtue of being a 1st world citizen with (presumably) gainful employment, full mental faculties, and no serious health issues.

It is therefore clear that your self-professed virtue was not done for virtuous reasons at all, but was just done to satisfy your own selfish desires - to see the world become how you want it to become. True virtue is not done for consequences, it is done out of duty, for its own sake. A truly virtuous action is heroic precisely because it remains so even in ignominious failure - the effort and intention itself is what gives it merit.

I suggest you do an honest reassessment of your own life and value system. If you truly want to be 'good', then it doesn't matter a damn if one navy-suited politician has limited power for 4 years instead of another, especially in the USA where separation of powers is stronger than almost any other country except Switzerland. What matters is that you are committed to furthering your honest, unselfish perception of the greater good, and gain honour and glory by pursuing it to the best of your ability. Anything else is just selfish reactionary old-fart bullshit.

Don't become one of those pathetic ranting old gits, forever moaning about how the world has gone to hell. We see them in every generation, and they are wrong every time. You are in danger of becoming the modern-day equivalent of 1860s former plantation owners nostalgic about the passing of slavery.

Nothing is more laughable than a privileged person whining about how hard they have it. Try being a 3rd world citizen, hard-working but fucked over by the corrupt and powerful, or stuffed due to being born in hard circumstances not of your own making. Then you wouldn't whine like a bitch about such trivialities as not always having the world turn out like you want.

Get a grip and harden the fuck up.

Great post! I agree with every word.

377OHMS · Nov 13, 2012

Quote from ~~~:

+1

Thats bullshit.

My aunts and uncles and cousins all voted for Obama and spout liberal nonsense endlessly and I've told my family that I'm not attending Thanksgiving dinner with all of them.

My parents have dropped a bomb and have decided to come over to my place on Thanksgiving instead of the family dinner too. They'll meet my gf's kids, basically the first grandparent event for them so it should be good. I'm lucky those kids will meet my old man and see what a *real* man is all about.

The Obamabots in my family can all kiss my ass and I simply will not be seeing them again. I effectively just peeled off all of the idiots and threw their toxic asses overboard, for good. I'm never going to sit at a dining room table full of libtards again.

It is typical Cutten to attack Tsing Tao for being charitable in the first place and to not address the premise of the thread. Of course he (TT) is a moral man. Giving $10k per year feeds a whole lot of people. Some crusty embittered old trader telling a young father to "toughen up" lol. Please. Reminds me a lot of Atticus.

The dickless Obamabots chiming in with +2 and "well said" when one of them is an alias for Trendlover and the other did not read the thread is classic P&R. Its like Kevin Klein in a movie saying "what was the middle part?".

Lucrum · Nov 13, 2012

Quote from 377OHMS:

Thats bullshit.

My aunts and uncles and cousins all voted for Obama and spout liberal nonsense endlessly and I've told my family that I'm not attending Thanksgiving dinner with all of them.

My parents have dropped a bomb and have decided to come over to my place on Thanksgiving instead of the family dinner too. They'll meet my gf's kids, basically the first grandparent event for them so it should be good. I'm lucky those kids will meet my old man and see what a *real* man is all about.

The Obamabots in my family can all kiss my ass and I simply will not be seeing them again. I effectively just peeled off all of the idiots and threw their toxic asses overboard, for good. I'm never going to sit at a dining room table full of libtards again.

It is typical Cutten to attack Tsing Tao for being charitable in the first place and to not address the premise of the thread. Of course he (TT) is a moral man. Giving $10k per year feeds a whole lot of people. Some crusty embittered old trader telling a young father to "toughen up" lol. Please. Reminds me a lot of Atticus.

The dickless Obamabots chiming in with +2 and "well said" when one of them is an alias for Trendlover and the other did not read the thread is classic P&R. Its like Kevin Klein in a movie saying "what was the middle part?".

Nice

futurecurrents · Nov 13, 2012

"Don't become one of those pathetic ranting old gits, forever moaning about how the world has gone to hell. We see them in every generation, and they are wrong every time. "

+1 and describes most of the ranting righties on here.

Lucrum · Nov 13, 2012

Quote from futurecurrents:

"Don't become one of those pathetic ranting old gits, forever moaning about how the world has gone to hell. We see them in every generation, and they are wrong every time. "

+1 and describes most of the ranting righties on here.

You toss your gay brothers salad.

pspr · Nov 13, 2012

Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

You seem to harbour an illusion that you are a moral person...............

What a load of condescending crap. Any thinking man can see what a fallacy you argue. Tell that to your dad and see if you get your allowance this week.

377OHMS · Nov 13, 2012

Quote from Lucrum:

You toss your gay brothers salad.

I didn't realize FC was still around till you quoted him. FC and FT are a special sort of person with this need to hate all of the time.

"Some guys just hate"

LEAPup · Nov 13, 2012

Quote from 377OHMS:

Thats bullshit.

My aunts and uncles and cousins all voted for Obama and spout liberal nonsense endlessly and I've told my family that I'm not attending Thanksgiving dinner with all of them.

My parents have dropped a bomb and have decided to come over to my place on Thanksgiving instead of the family dinner too. They'll meet my gf's kids, basically the first grandparent event for them so it should be good. I'm lucky those kids will meet my old man and see what a *real* man is all about.

The Obamabots in my family can all kiss my ass and I simply will not be seeing them again. I effectively just peeled off all of the idiots and threw their toxic asses overboard, for good. I'm never going to sit at a dining room table full of libtards again.

It is typical Cutten to attack Tsing Tao for being charitable in the first place and to not address the premise of the thread. Of course he (TT) is a moral man. Giving $10k per year feeds a whole lot of people. Some crusty embittered old trader telling a young father to "toughen up" lol. Please. Reminds me a lot of Atticus.

The dickless Obamabots chiming in with +2 and "well said" when one of them is an alias for Trendlover and the other did not read the thread is classic P&R. Its like Kevin Klein in a movie saying "what was the middle part?".

Sounds like you'll have a very happy Thanksgiving!

futurecurrents · Nov 13, 2012

Quote from 377OHMS:

I didn't realize FC was still around till you quoted him. FC and FT are a special sort of person with this need to hate all of the time.

"Some guys just hate"

On ignore