College professors complain their jobs are being taken by online education.
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Quote from piezoe:
That might be a bit on the low side for an associate professors, depending on discipline and region of the country. For full professors at schools with graduate programs it would be more like 30-50K/course and up, depending on the same factors. But please recognize that dividing a professors salary by the number of courses taught makes little sense in many cases.
Undergraduates often don't have a clue what their professors really do for a living. They think the only time they are working is when they are in the classroom. They don't realize that many are paying a good part, or all of their salaries via overhead. Top notch talent, training, and experience, does not come cheap.
Of course, the situation at community and junior colleges is different.
It takes a lot of money, sacrifice, and especially hard work to move from labor to capital in a single generation. Starting out at junior college, or worse yet, with an online degree, makes it even harder to do. It is much easier if you have a degree from a top notch undergraduate institution with very high admission standards. (Just attending is not enough, however.)
It's unacceptable to me that many students are, in a practical sense, relegated to labor for the rest of their lives, and likely their offspring as well, not because of their innate ability, but because they didn't have access to a good grade and secondary education. That's something we must fix, and going to charter, and private schools is not the right way to fix that problem. That's just an admission that we've given up.
(Preschool through fourth grade is the most critical element. Remedial programs are an inefficient, ineffective waste of time and money-- the goal should be to make them virtually unnecessary.)
There is a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy going on here among those who say the public schools can't be fixed. As schools get worse, and as time goes by, we end up with an increasingly greater fraction of the population being poorly educated, but still voting; still running for public office; still posting on ET. Ever so gradually, people less, and less able to make good decisions are moving into decision making positions.
I suggest you read more carefully. my post included the following:
the adjunct professor makes $3000- to 8000/ course. he accepts the job with the hope that some day he will be part of the elite and then he can rip off the students. professors preach socialism while practicing the most ruthless form of wage slavery.
there is a big difference between adjunct professor, as mentioned above, and associate professor. the statement is the truth.
you are very good at twisting the facts but you are a liar . I posted where i gave earnings for ADJUNCT professors and referring to them as slaves on the plantations.
"zdreg
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06-04-13 03:22 PM
Quote from wilburbear:
Come to think of it, it's totally unnecessary to travel 500 miles from home to hear a grad student teach a class of 300.
This article says a good online degree will cost $1000 a year, in just 7 years.
But what about the poor students who've already been ripped off, and put in debt, by today's colleges?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...?mod=hp_opinion
they were ripped off by their liberal professors. they were sold a bill of goods. then they were indoctrinated with leftist ideology. then they will work for six months and collect unemployment for 2years while guzzling beer. with food stamps they will never starve. with obamacare they will hardly pay for doctors.they will never pay their debts off. then 1 day they will pass legislation creating a student loan moratorium. of course they will vote democratic. they have now ripped off the system + their parents.
of course these professors believe in slavery on the plantation. a tenured professomakes $20,000/ course. the adjunct professor makes $3000- to 8000/ course. he accepts the job with the hope that some day he will be part of the elite and then he can rip off the students. professors preach socialism while practicing the most ruthless form of wage slavery."
Yes, you did indeed. Good for you! And again, I did not comment on anything having to do with adjuncts. In fact, my earlier post had virtually nothing to do with your own post, other than I made a comment re the salaries of tenured professors divided by the number of courses taught.
You are entitled to your opinions. I only mentioned, with regard to your post, that perhaps 20K/course is a bit low for tenured professors, which again, includes both associate and full professors. Is that a lie? If you think it is, that's fine with me. Have a nice day.
Quote from piezoe:
Yes, you did indeed. Good for you! And again, I did not comment on anything having to do with adjuncts. In fact, my earlier post had virtually nothing to do with your own post, other than I made a comment re the salaries of tenured professors divided by the number of courses taught.
You are entitled to your opinions. I only mentioned, with regard to your post, that perhaps 20K/course is a bit low for tenured professors, which again, includes both associate and full professors. Is that a lie? If you think it is, that's fine with me. Have a nice day.
3 classes/semester. 2/semesters/ year would make for a salary of 120k/yr + benefits
not shabby for this kind of work. there is little preparation when you teach the same courses year in and year out.
again you are twisting the truth. i didn't reply to your comment that 20k is a low figure.
more over instead of looking for some facts you try to bs your way around it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professors_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professors_in_the_United_States
take a look and the numbers and quit lying in this thread and most other threads . you are like obama. you refuse to admit what you are politically.
these numbers are 6 years out of date add 20-25%.
Rank Lowest median by field[22] Highest median by field[22] Overall median[21] Common range[22] Common salary range in relation to labor force
Full-time, age 25+[27] All earners age 25+[28]
Assistant Professor $45,927 $81,005 $58,662 Low 50s â Low 60s 70th to 75th percentile 77th to 83rd percentile
Associate Professor $56,943 $98,530 $69,911 Low 60s â High 70s 75th to 86th percentile 83rd to 87th percentile
Full Professor $68,214 $136,634 $98,974 High 70s â Low 100s
Mid 100s at Elite Universities 86th to 91st percentile
96th percentile 87th to 91st percentile
97th percentile