Collapse of the American Empire: Swift, Silent, Certain

[T_Geithner]

Quote from Illum:

A hypothetical. bla bla

also I call bullshit on the second paragraph of your post, engineers and scientists used to come to the US because of the high wages

20 years ago, an engineer with 5 years of experience would make $2000 a month, he could (depending on his country) buy a condo in the capital city of his country for $4000, now an engineer with 5 years of experience makes $5000 a month (after taxes) while the price of the same condo is $200K in the same city

my point, US wages aren't as high as they used to be, and now they are eroding at unprecedented rates, less than a decade down the road and there will be zero incentive and serious cons in immigrating to US, zero incentive because wages will have eroded to global levels, and serious cons because the control freak government with their shitty bureaucracy will cause even greater pain for the decent man

that means your example should go as such; a murderer escapes from a prison in south america, then comes to america, bribes some officials and lawyers who help him get a greencard, that is the future of america, gone will be the days when scientists and engineers wanted to come to america and make good money

 

[misterno]

Quote from dozu888:

article is a bunch of hog wash.

who is there to replace the US of A?

China? no way
Europe? they will prolly collapse before USA ever does.
what else is out there?

Military domination
Currency domination
Cultural domination

It's still the greatest place of all.

All this gloom and doom - there are still bears out there, we are going much higher.

+ infinite

 

[misterno]

Quote from T_Geithner:



what culture, america doesn't have a culture, you're probably talking about american porn and hollywood movies, or feminism and broken families, or shit like

LOL

Partly true but remember those holywood movies do the brainwashing. You are missing the importance of movies. Travel overseas and you will be amazed.

 

[maxpi]

Quote from EMRGLOBAL:

Wrong....you'r reading way to many mainstream press bullshit.

the restructuring of WallStreet, yes. Soon, the Markets will be over regulated with extra tax added, including the Health Care tax which is 2.9% on Interest and Dividins if it is passed. So, many more brokers, traders soon to be on their way to other jobs.

I doubt the collapse is going to happen, due to the Banks and Wallstree being regulated. ( I don't want more regulation but you can't fight it/) However, the destruction of the middle class, yes. Those who lost their jobs, may never find another or may have to work for far less. The day's of not being cash liquid and driving fancy cars, dinning out in resturants everynight, shopping at the "Stores" , buying homes, etc...all the luxary items will no longer be part of the middle class vocab.

Manufacturing may be trending to "Lights Out" opperation. I have only one client that is actually using such a opperation and he layed off 90% of his "manpower", only has 40 engineers and the rest is pure automation. This seems to be the trend that many of my other clients are talking about if:

Health Care passes,
Bush Tax cut is not kept
Fed Gov passes Carbon Tax

What many people fail to understand is that those who "Produce" will continue to. One way or the other. It isn't as if the US producers want to lay off...they are going to have zero choice. They are not gona allow their life and their dreams to be destroyed by the Fed Gov. It's pure survival mode for my clients as far as their mentality goes. They are putting up huge revenue now and profits are coming in stronger than they have in 8 years. But that is due to the "Fat" being cut out. If the OBAMANATION crew decides to put the squeez on them, they will unload even more workers, find automation and continue to produce and make money. Some may even move off shore.

OBAMANATION is hurting the very folks that voted for him and those who are in debt beyond their means. He will destroy the middle class but he will not destroy the true wealth of this country, thus the "Collapse" will not happen.

I feel for most who are in dead-end industries, those who refuse to find the light at the end of the tunnel and those who have their heads in the sand.

But as my clients, I will not allow OBAMANATION to destroy my life or my income. It's time for me to make even more money and put it to work as well as pay the taxes. I don't really have much of a choice. Thank God for OIL!

Amen bro. I saw the destruction of the middle class coming decades ago. I was desperately searching for a way to not go into poverty. I had a computer related business with tremendous potential but it got destroyed by a crazy relative that I trusted. Then I discovered trading.

I don't think the tipping point into the demise was in the Clinton-Bush era, it was in the Vietnam era. I lived through that wondering the entire time what the hell we were doing bombing the s%^t out of a third world country. I thought it represented imperialistic hubris to the absolute maximum extent and we didn't even win it to boot....

 

[Random.Capital]

Quote from JamesVU2000:

The right thing to do is to hand the banks the losses and let the losers fail.

That isn't even close to being enough to solve the problem.

The US needs to default, the sooner the better.

 

[rbartell]

Quote from Illum:

I read Ferguson's piece in Foreign Affairs a few weeks ago. I liked the nod to sacred geometry and chaos. Was a really good article except I wanted him to take chaos and then link it with evolution, and therefor argue for more freedom to avert a fall of America. He mentions chaos and then forgets it, never getting to the bottom of nature's greatest invention. If he would have gone on with that thought, he would have uncovered what made the US so great. And what is destroying it. The intervention because of the fear of this chaos is destroying the evolution of our society.

This post is dead on. The problem is it takes a lot of intuition/knowledge to grasp this, so it is regularly overlooked. For more on this, read:
Chaos and Order in the Capital Markets: A New View of Cycles, Prices, and Market Volatility

 

[T_Geithner]

Quote from misterno:

LOL

Partly true but remember those holywood movies do the brainwashing. You are missing the importance of movies. Travel overseas and you will be amazed.

I agree, hollywood movies are two hour advertisements of america, and people overseas are stupid too so they fall for it

but as wages erode in america, even those who wasted years trying to come into this country will return when they see for themselves that there are no jobs and shitty wages, except those losers who somehow fucked up back home and now can't go back, or their life is the same shit even if they go back so now that they've wasted years trying to get in, they'll just stay

 

[T_Geithner]

Quote from rbartell:

This post is dead on. The problem is it takes a lot of intuition/knowledge to grasp this, so it is regularly overlooked. For more on this, read:
Chaos and Order in the Capital Markets: A New View of Cycles, Prices, and Market Volatility

no I called bullshit on his post, american government is the greatest control freak government out there, if you can't see it you are blind, but regardless show me how the government is allowing natural chaos to flow through the economy, the bailouts or is it the quantitative easing?

 

[rbartell]

Quote from T_Geithner:

no I called bullshit on his post, american government is the greatest control freak government out there, if you can't see it you are blind, but regardless show me how the government is allowing natural chaos to flow through the economy, the bailouts or is it the quantitative easing?

Wow, you should be embarassed to miss his point this dreadfully. He said chaos is "what made the US so great. And what is destroying it. The intervention because of the fear of this chaos is destroying the evolution of our society." That is directly in line with your views.

 

[T_Geithner]

Quote from rbartell:

Wow, you should be embarassed to miss his point this dreadfully. He said chaos is "what made the US so great. And what is destroying it. The intervention because of the fear of this chaos is destroying the evolution of our society." That is directly in line with your views.

See I only went to elementary school and university here, all I remember from elementary school is; bitches having the class daydream of how america will be colonizing mars in the early 21st century, building flying cars and other random ass shit. White female teachers whose boyfriends and husbands had dumped them for some stupid reason, and now so full of hatred they came to class and took revenge on the kids, as if it were the kids who had fucked them over. Some of them were real fucking psychos, ie one had a big ass collection of troll dolls all over the class, and I always hated those fucking nasty ugly looking dolls, but we always had to go up to her and say ya I love your doll collection (shit face). So I don't remember anything about america being great even in the past, unless you are talking about sometime before I was born.

(Women are really stupid entities, why are they even allowed to teach?)