Coffee With Chris: His Path to Becoming a Pro Trader 21st Sept, Noon

I can only look at this from my point of view, but I assume that this would be the feeling of 95% of people.

Getting bored is a real thing, but when you discover keys to the magic kingdom, you have to maximize as much as you can. If you slow down trading too early, in order to do other things, that will clearly make less money, you are now taking a big risk with your future. So you'd like to already be set for life before you retire from trading, and before you can say that you're officially bored.

What does set for life mean? Even $5 million isn't much these days. A house can easily be $2 million in just a regular city, and you'd hardly want half of your entire net worth tied up in just real estate for yourself. So realistically, I'd imagine that a trader isn't ready to slow down until perhaps having $10 million in cash sitting in an account.

If you don't have this yet, but already 7 figures, then you have to wonder why you're distracting yourself with a job that will clearly pay less. I doubt you can pay an educator 50k per month for his services, and this would only average out to 600k per year. Its of course an amazing sum of money, and something that would set you up for life, and this is perhaps the kind of money a trader wants to be making, but its not like this will be education income. If we assume a partly 5k per month from part time education, we have to wonder why even bother to invest 10, 20 or 30 hours per week when this amount is something a good trader should be making already without the headaches and distractions.

The guys who are rich and do something else generally are on youtube, giving free podcasts, or doing other self interest things that earn no income. They focus on improving the world or the life of others because they are already set up for life.

So, in conclusion, in order to truly get bored from trading and want to do something else, you have to be really well off, and therefore not even care for a paycheck. But to look for a job like trader education means that this amount of money actually means something to you, hence you need it, hence your trading isn't going so well. You're burnt out from trading, or lost your edge. And since trading is mostly psychological, we would be learning from a guy who no longer has the correct mindset and perhaps expired skills.

Peter (I think its Peter), let me ask you this. How much money would you need to walk away from Jigsaw? Don't tell me this is a passion of yours and that you have 50 million sitting in the bank and only do this out of boredom. You're probably living a comfortable life in the East, but you need this income to support your family. If you were able to make 10k per day from the markets, consistently, would you bother with running this business? I don't doubt that you trade, and maybe even have good years, but you haven't hit the jackpot with trading, that I'm sure of.

If I had all the money I would ever need, I would show off with my trading. I would come to ET and post a bunch of blotters, call out some trades in real time, fuck around with the posters here. I would act like @destriero actually! I would help when I felt like it, but I would not commit to participating in some structured trading education company. Nobody that rich wants to put this many restrictions on their time and freedom.

So its impossible for me to think that an accomplished trader takes any type of trader education job. If they are killing it with trading, the job is an unnecessary distraction. If they are already loaded and retired, its too much work. And if the income from the job is a nice addition to their monthly needs, then they clearly don't have the trading skills necessary to make it as a trader, so why are they teaching? A trader who can make $500 per day from the markets is doing well, but his concern should be maximizing scaling up, not taking time away to teach. He probably needs the security of a different income stream since the stress of trading is too much, but this isn't the type of mindset we want to learn from.

This is all projection though - I am talking from experience, you are writing a wall of text about what you would do after a long run of profitable trading.

We all need a purpose in life and traders who traded from Uni, know very little else. I get all of your points but
come & listen in - you might change your mind.

Nobody learns trading in the prop world by being sat in front of a screen and told "have at it" (well, crappy firms do). Somebody has to teach them. It's not a catch-22 scenario.
 
This is all projection though - I am talking from experience, you are writing a wall of text about what you would do after a long run of profitable trading.

We all need a purpose in life and traders who traded from Uni, know very little else. I get all of your points but
come & listen in - you might change your mind.

Nobody learns trading in the prop world by being sat in front of a screen and told "have at it" (well, crappy firms do). Somebody has to teach them. It's not a catch-22 scenario.
My motto these days for listening to anyone is first seeing their trades, even better if its live. I want to see how they enter, how they manage it, what their reactions are to how its moving. And then what their next move is. If you can sit beside a profitable trader (even virtually) for one week and see every trade, this is more instructional than any course or seminar or book.
 
My motto these days for listening to anyone is first seeing their trades, even better if its live. I want to see how they enter, how they manage it, what their reactions are to how its moving. And then what their next move is. If you can sit beside a profitable trader (even virtually) for one week and see every trade, this is more instructional than any course or seminar or book.

That's cool and it's not for you. Our opinions are different - but then I have foot in the professional world, which also skews my view.

As for walking away from Jigsaw, I am not the retirement type, I'd need to first make sure all the customers would be well looked after and then find something else to fill the time. It's no big secret I have ADHD, so I need to be occupied all the time - without wearing the wife out.

I think I'd need to have a heart attack to walk away from it - but it occupies my head and so does trading - and my head really needs to be occupied.

The thought of walking away without a heart attack has to be based on walking into something else - which I haven't really considered as I enjoy what I do.
 
I hate to be harsh, and perhaps its my fault because I see now that the only point of this webinar was to listen to him talk about himself and what he has been doing for years, but its completely useless. Of course Earn2Trade gets a big plug.

The line that really got me was where he mentions "Yes I still trade, but I love helping other traders". Jesus, its like me saying that I enjoy a little bit of sex, but I mostly married my wife so I can spend all my money and time on her, completely neglecting most of my needs.

Peter, would you hire me to teach? I think I'm doing this all wrong by trying to take money from the market because its much easier to take money from struggling traders. I can bring so much value by sharing all of my market knowledge, all of my observations, great setups that work often, psychology insights, and basically, I can provide 90% of what's necessary to make it. What is that worth per month? How many hours would I need to devote? Imagine how awesome it would be to jump right into it and actually start with charts and live demonstrations. We can make a lot of money together!
 
I hate to be harsh, and perhaps its my fault because I see now that the only point of this webinar was to listen to him talk about himself and what he has been doing for years, but its completely useless. Of course Earn2Trade gets a big plug.

The line that really got me was where he mentions "Yes I still trade, but I love helping other traders". Jesus, its like me saying that I enjoy a little bit of sex, but I mostly married my wife so I can spend all my money and time on her, completely neglecting most of my needs.

Peter, would you hire me to teach? I think I'm doing this all wrong by trying to take money from the market because its much easier to take money from struggling traders. I can bring so much value by sharing all of my market knowledge, all of my observations, great setups that work often, psychology insights, and basically, I can provide 90% of what's necessary to make it. What is that worth per month? How many hours would I need to devote? Imagine how awesome it would be to jump right into it and actually start with charts and live demonstrations. We can make a lot of money together!

I'd absolutely hire you to teach if you could show a track record. It'd be an excellent addition to the Jigsaw product set.

Just drop me a line or PM and we can discuss it.
 
I'd absolutely hire you to teach if you could show a track record. It'd be an excellent addition to the Jigsaw product set.

Just drop me a line or PM and we can discuss it.
Oh, only problem is my track record shows consistent losses. But I know what to do and can fake success very easily!

And this is my point. That nothing about personal history, or journey, etc. matters that much when it comes to trading. I think most of us want to follow a profitable trader and learn by doing. That is the type of podcast that I want to see. A trader going over his trades to show us what he did and discuss his thoughts and methodology. Everything else I find kind of boring and useless.
 
Oh, only problem is my track record shows consistent losses. But I know what to do and can fake success very easily!

And this is my point. That nothing about personal history, or journey, etc. matters that much when it comes to trading. I think most of us want to follow a profitable trader and learn by doing. That is the type of podcast that I want to see. A trader going over his trades to show us what he did and discuss his thoughts and methodology. Everything else I find kind of boring and useless.

Very cute, Noah. You have no idea what due diligence we do before bringing someone on to speak.

The webinar wasn't a "trade by trade review", it was about Chris's journey - there's plenty of trade videos on the Jigsaw site. This webinar and the information about how to make it is what people like you need but it's not what you want to hear, which is the amount of work involved.

The journey is everything.
 
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