Any actual evidence to back up any of those nutty-sounding accusations?
Two previously downed aircraft in the area (both Ukrainian) were brought down by the <s>"rebels"</s> Kremlin surrogates who boasted about using vehicle-launched SAMs.
CNBS took 20 minutes to report the plane shot down
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Two previously downed aircraft in the area (both Ukrainian) were brought down by the <s>"rebels"</s> Kremlin surrogates who boasted about using vehicle-launched SAMs.
those Kremlin surrogates are native russian population who live on their land who are fighting aggressor ,what evidence do you need? Its like someone coming to your house ,killing your family ,setting your home on fire and then demanding evidence,the only fact that it was done is enough,i don't have any proof or suggesting its USA,i said might, what I suggest is to leave ppl alone unless you want more of those civilian aircrafts, because it's starting to really piss off the whole Russian population no matter where they are
As you can see from the wild claims by ET's Kremlin apologist, we first need solid evidence of who and how the airliner was shot down, then we can proceed from there. Alas by now the blackboxes and other forensic evidence are by now destroyed or sitting in some underground Kremlin vault.
From the elementary school playground, to the tyrant running a country, every bully counts on never having their bluff called. Here's how the call goes. Hello Vlad. Hell of a crash over there, eh? We're coming in to pick up the dead and gather forensic evidence. We'd welcome your help. We're pretty certain this was just some trigger happy nitwit who thought he was shooting down a cargo place. It's a war zone, shit happens. We'd rather not get into finger pointing, just want to clean up the mess. Whatever the case, we'll be on the ground in 24 hours. Again, we'd welcome any assistance, but we'll be there with your help or without. Later!
You want to be stupid that is your privilege, thank you for exposing your self as such!
There is actual evidence, it was shot down by pro-Russian, Cossacks.
ps Cossacks and Kazakhs are two different groups of people...
never argue with an idiot ,will never prove anything or how one of the comments say"I think the lesson here is if you have truth, don't try to convince anyone else. It may land you in a world of trouble... or get you eaten! LOL" http://youtu.be/JMJXvsCLu6s
I've been to Ukraine. Was in Kyiv in 2004. No aggressor. Ukraine was peaceful until a short time ago (and they gave up their nukes .. who does that ?). Sure there are ethnic Russians, but Russia was born from Kyiv, was it not ? So why try to kill your ancestors ?
Btw, I love Russia too. SPb especially. But the current govt is corrupt. It will take the Russian people some time to see that. But they will. They are good people.
And piss off the Russian people ... they get pissed off for the same reasons we do. Especially when they're told a lie, and when they figure out they were lied to ...
Looks like Romney knew what's what, and of course Obama was and is willfully blind to it all. We have Hanoi John just giving the Iranians another 4 months to build their weapons, Putin does as he pleases up to and including killing whomever he wants, and Radical Islam now has a terrorist state. We played Mr. President, well played.
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It's as if world history goes on, with the US as only a part of it.
Look, if Romney had been president there is no reason to believe he would have opposed the ongoing project to encourage Ukraine to align itself economically with the West--that's just good for business. So Putin would have spooked over his naval base regardless. Now, would Putin have looked at the US and found her to be any less distracted with her wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Would Putin have found Romney's American public less war weary than Obama's American public? No. So Putin would have invaded Crimea regardless. Would Romney not also have pursued economic sanctions against Putin? Would Romney not be looking for allied support to build resistance to Putin, or would he be going it alone?
Since we're watching Fox.
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Allen West: Obama "Purposefully Creating Drama" Like Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash.
Fox News contributor Allen West is claiming that President Obama is "purposefully creating drama globally" like the recent Malaysia Airlines M17 crash.
In a post on his website headlined, "298 souls on MH17 have paid the price for Obama's 'flexibility,'" West referenced a 2012 video of Obama telling then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev he would have "flexibility" after his re-election, writing:
Sadly, hundreds of Ukrainians and 298 souls on MH17 have paid the price for the weakness and abject cowardice of Obama's "flexibility."
And here in America we quibble over a lawsuit against this charlatan.
The blood on Vladimir Putin's hands was poured by Barack Obama who is indirectly responsible, accountable accountable [sic] and no different than Neville Chamberlain's weakness in the face of the 20th Century maniacal dictator Adolf Hitler.
He concluded: "So much for no drama Obama. He is purposefully creating drama globally." West did not expand on why he thinks Obama is "purposely creating" "drama" like the Malaysia crash.
West is no stranger to outlandish and vitriolic rhetoric, both as a one-term Florida congressman and in his current role as a Fox News analyst.
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Allen West: Obama "Purposefully Creating Drama" Like Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash.
Fox News contributor Allen West is claiming that President Obama is "purposefully creating drama globally" like the recent Malaysia Airlines M17 crash.
In a post on his website headlined, "298 souls on MH17 have paid the price for Obama's 'flexibility,'" West referenced a 2012 video of Obama telling then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev he would have "flexibility" after his re-election, writing:
Sadly, hundreds of Ukrainians and 298 souls on MH17 have paid the price for the weakness and abject cowardice of Obama's "flexibility."
And here in America we quibble over a lawsuit against this charlatan.
The blood on Vladimir Putin's hands was poured by Barack Obama who is indirectly responsible, accountable accountable [sic] and no different than Neville Chamberlain's weakness in the face of the 20th Century maniacal dictator Adolf Hitler.
He concluded: "So much for no drama Obama. He is purposefully creating drama globally." West did not expand on why he thinks Obama is "purposely creating" "drama" like the Malaysia crash.
West is no stranger to outlandish and vitriolic rhetoric, both as a one-term Florida congressman and in his current role as a Fox News analyst.