#CNBC U.S. shouldn't bail out hedge funds, billionaires during coronavirus pandemic: Chamath Palihap

Still can't find out what he said about real-estate, but this is interesting:

Virgin Galactic's Chamath Palihapitiya: Bitcoin Could Go to $1 Million, Everybody Should Own Some

Virgin Galactic Chairman Chamath Palihapitiya has shared his bitcoin investment strategy, predicting that bitcoin’s price could reach a million dollars. He further suggested that everybody should have 1% of their assets in bitcoin since it is “a fantastic hedge.”


Bitcoin’s Price Could Reach $1 Million
Chamath Palihapitiya, the chairman of Virgin Galactic and founder of investment firm Social Capital, recently discussed bitcoin and how to invest during the current financial crisis. In a podcast interview published last week with Morgan Creek Digital co-founder Anthony Pompliano, Palihapitiya was asked about his bitcoin investment strategy. Responding to questions about whether he had bought, sold or changed the bitcoin allocation in his portfolio in any way, the venture capitalist revealed:
the prophecy may just come true; coming soon to a bank near you:
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the prophecy may just come true; coming soon to a bank near you:
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For all those with debts, it's the dream :) for all those with money, it's the nightmare :)

I'm a billionaire, 2 years ago I could buy an aircraft carrier, but these days only worth 1 mars bar and a pint of milk LOL
 
I've seen companies go under (not get a bail out) and depending upon their location or niche...

Thousands of jobs lost by the average person that works at those companies including pensions wiped out. Simply, a CEO or board of directors aren't the only ones working there.

Further, there's a ripple impact too. They provide critical financial support to other industry groups. Take the financial their support away...they then react via taking way support of those other industry groups (e.g. endowment funds to support universities, health care for private research like cancer and so many others).

Glad I'm not in the position to decide which company gets a bail out and which companies does not get bail out.

Yeah, I figure the phrase was being used loosely by him when he named particular industry groups (e.g. airlines). In another earlier speech...he identified pharmaceutical companies not deserving assistance.

Let them all fail.
Airlines, Pharmaceuticals, Post Office, Car Makers, Cellular Industry, Hotel Conglomerates and many more. Their failure would make the 2 - 3 trillion dollar stimulus package look like chump change.

Ironically, a large number of people are complaining about their job losses...I'm willing to bet many work at the above industry groups that a select few (with money) state those industry groups do not deserve a bail out...until they realize not having any of the above around will impact their own personal life.

By the way, the title is about Hedge Funds but the speaker also named Airlines in the rant and he's named other industry groups in prior rants. That's my point, who decides which industry group gets a bail out and which ones do not...glad its not his decision.

wrbtrader

I do agree with the ripple effect it can cause in the industries and the jobs that could be further lost. However the main point is that there are companies/hedge funds that take excessive risks and/or only have a plan A but no plan B when a black swan event occurs. These entities reap higher gains when they are right and do well during normal times, but there should be a price to pay for taking excessive risk and mismanagement. ie. The toxic companies and hedge funds should be allowed to fail.

Hedge funds should be allowed to fail for bad decision making and investors rightly burnt for not doing due diligence. Companies running critical infrastructures(Airlines,pharma,etc) should be allowed to go bankrupt and become state owned, preserving the jobs. At a later time these companies could be auctioned off to the public and become listed again.

Employees at other bankrupted companies that are not critical should be supported by government funded payroll during this period. The government is still spending money but funneling it only towards the innocent office workers caught in the mismanagement fiasco. This ensures the bad actors (CEO, upper management, Bond and shareholders) rightfully pay the price for their decisions.

The current message the Fed is giving out to the big corporations right now is "gamble all you want and we will bail you out at all costs". Rewarding bad behaviour results in a growth of more bad behaviour.
 
I do agree with the ripple effect it can cause in the industries and the jobs that could be further lost. However the main point is that there are companies/hedge funds that take excessive risks and/or only have a plan A but no plan B when a black swan event occurs. These entities reap higher gains when they are right and do well during normal times, but there should be a price to pay for taking excessive risk and mismanagement. ie. The toxic companies and hedge funds should be allowed to fail.

Hedge funds should be allowed to fail for bad decision making and investors rightly burnt for not doing due diligence. Companies running critical infrastructures(Airlines,pharma,etc) should be allowed to go bankrupt and become state owned, preserving the jobs. At a later time these companies could be auctioned off to the public and become listed again.

Employees at other bankrupted companies that are not critical should be supported by government funded payroll during this period. The government is still spending money but funneling it only towards the innocent office workers caught in the mismanagement fiasco. This ensures the bad actors (CEO, upper management, Bond and shareholders) rightfully pay the price for their decisions.

The current message the Fed is giving out to the big corporations right now is "gamble all you want and we will bail you out at all costs". Rewarding bad behaviour results in a growth of more bad behaviour.

Not sure what "state owned" implies but if it implies like businesses like the U.S. Post Office although its not owned by the state but its treated like a government owned entity that's too big to fail while it losses millions every year. Actually, it lost 2 billion dollars the prior year.

Not good business practice.

Thus, when critical companies like Airlines, Autos, Pharma do fail...most states can not manage their own state let alone a critical industry. People will keep their jobs but the company will just suck the life out of the state...keeping it always in the red.

Simply, there must be a better solution if bail outs are not the solution nor is state owned business a solution considering the reputation of management by most states in the U.S. are very bad...as in poorly manage.

wrbtrader
 
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I do agree with the ripple effect it can cause in the industries and the jobs that could be further lost. However the main point is that there are companies/hedge funds that take excessive risks and/or only have a plan A but no plan B when a black swan event occurs. These entities reap higher gains when they are right and do well during normal times, but there should be a price to pay for taking excessive risk and mismanagement. ie. The toxic companies and hedge funds should be allowed to fail.

Hedge funds should be allowed to fail for bad decision making and investors rightly burnt for not doing due diligence. Companies running critical infrastructures (Airlines,pharma,etc) should be allowed to go bankrupt and become state owned, preserving the jobs. At a later time these companies could be auctioned off to the public and become listed again.

Employees at other bankrupted companies that are not critical should be supported by government funded payroll during this period. The government is still spending money but funneling it only towards the innocent office workers caught in the mismanagement fiasco. This ensures the bad actors (CEO, upper management, Bond and shareholders) rightfully pay the price for their decisions.

The current message the Fed is giving out to the big corporations right now is "gamble all you want and we will bail you out at all costs". Rewarding bad behaviour results in a growth of more bad behaviour.
Not sure what "state owned" implies but if it implies like businesses like the U.S. Post Office although its not owned by the state but its treated like a government owned entity that's too big to fail while it losses millions every year. Actually, it lost 2 billion dollars the prior year.

Not good business practice.

Thus, when critical companies like Airlines, Autos, Pharma do fail...most states can not manage their own state let alone a critical industry. People will keep their jobs but the company will just suck the life out of the state...keeping it always in the red.

Simply, there must be a better solution if bail outs are not the solution nor is state owned business a solution considering the reputation of management by most states in the U.S. are very bad...as in poorly manage.

wrbtrader

The proposed solution has already been mentioned. See the bolded quotes of my earlier reply.

Numerous studies have shown that State owned companies are unproductive/less profitable compared to public listed or privately held companies. It is easy to explain why. State owned companies are not incetivised to make profit. Whereas owners and shareholders invest in companies to make money and will appoint the right CEO aligned to their objectives. Take your example U.S. Post vs FEDEX/DHL.

Hence my suggestion to temporarily nationalize it during this period and later auction it out to the public.
 
Virgin Galactic's Chamath Palihapitiya: Bitcoin Could Go to $1 Million, Everybody Should Own Some

Virgin Galactic Chairman Chamath Palihapitiya has shared his bitcoin investment strategy, predicting that bitcoin’s price could reach a million dollars. He further suggested that everybody should have 1% of their assets in bitcoin since it is “a fantastic hedge.”


Bitcoin’s Price Could Reach $1 Million
Chamath Palihapitiya, the chairman of Virgin Galactic and founder of investment firm Social Capital, recently discussed bitcoin and how to invest during the current financial crisis. In a podcast interview published last week with Morgan Creek Digital co-founder Anthony Pompliano, Palihapitiya was asked about his bitcoin investment strategy. Responding to questions about whether he had bought, sold or changed the bitcoin allocation in his portfolio in any way, the venture capitalist revealed:

Until the exchange gets hacked and your hedge is stolen, or simply vanishes into the ether it came from. I think he's a little *high* man.
 
The proposed solution has already been mentioned. See the bolded quotes of my earlier reply.

Numerous studies have shown that State owned companies are unproductive/less profitable compared to public listed or privately held companies. It is easy to explain why. State owned companies are not incetivised to make profit. Whereas owners and shareholders invest in companies to make money and will appoint the right CEO aligned to their objectives. Take your example U.S. Post vs FEDEX/DHL.

Hence my suggestion to temporarily nationalize it during this period and later auction it out to the public.
The USPS has to deliver a letter from anywhere in the US or it's possessions to anywhere else in the US or it's possessions for a fixed price set by Congress. FedEx/DHL don't have this requirement. Comparing the two is idiotic really.
 
...Hence my suggestion to temporarily nationalize it during this period and later auction it out to the public.

Ahhh...

I actually like that but it sounds to easy. There must be a catch.

wrbtrader
 
The USPS has to deliver a letter from anywhere in the US or it's possessions to anywhere else in the US or it's possessions for a fixed price set by Congress. FedEx/DHL don't have this requirement. Comparing the two is idiotic really.

You get the idea but choose to nitpick the example. :sneaky:
 
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