Close ally Britain's GCHQ enlisted to spy on Trump to bypass U.S. legal hurdles.

[jem]

knew what? We all know that via Echelon the member countries get to intercept every communication and then share them back to with each other. This is a way around our constitution. The question is what did these top officials shar share and unmask for for others for political reasons.

What they shared is the question. Whether they teamed up to get Trump is the issue.
Whether they drummed up the dossier and facts to interfere with his ability to lead and create policy is a core issue? Was the plan in andy's office really a plan by the DOJ and FBI and who else to take down Trump?

I am asking questions. I am not saying the memo will show anything. I am waiting til we see it.

Everybody knew . The Australians , the British , the Dutch , the FBI , Even the Obama admin knew. When Obama approached McConnell with the info McConnell threatened him , told him if he ever revealed anything he would be accused of interfering with the election and more . But everything gets summarized as jealousy for losing or hate towards Trump.

Even Comey has stated he feels acutely nauseous for not speaking out earlier.

Rest assured . . . all of this is in Mueller's files.

 

[UsualName]

The fact that an "ex" MI6 operative was the source of the Russian dossier troubles me. He could not have possibly done this without his former bosses knowing and approving it. If he went rogue, they could blacklist him and his business is done. Now it appears to have reached their NSA equivalent, GCHQ. Somebody in the UK government has some explaining to do. And forget that trade deal.

Steele is widely known across the world for the assistance he gave our government in taking down FIFA and the UK for the poisoning of an ex Russian operative. He has worked with many intelligence agencies in the past.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

The fact that an "ex" MI6 operative was the source of the Russian dossier troubles me. He could not have possibly done this without his former bosses knowing and approving it. If he went rogue, they could blacklist him and his business is done. Now it appears to have reached their NSA equivalent, GCHQ. Somebody in the UK government has some explaining to do. And forget that trade deal.

I don't know. It is just another of the fifty reasons to appoint a special investigator. There is a pantload to unpack in that whole scenario.

Mannafort, for example, was clearly working for pro-Russian interests, regardless of whether some of his actions were or were not criminal. He had his own lobbying group and was obviously pro-Trump. Yet, he and his lobbying group were also working for Tony Podesta's group which was laundering dem/dnc money to hire a british spy who was working with current and former KGB agents to undermine Trump. Meanwhile the FBI was colluding with Podesta's group. And while that was going on, even the FBI alleges that one of its top people/Orff was colluding with a Fusion (being paid through Podesta/DNC) to share intelligence and plans. The Fusion person of course was none other than Orff's wife.

Steele and Podesta need to be Muellerized- that is to say- just indict or threaten them on some bullshit thing to get their cooperation and go from there. Of course you have to be prepared for surprises too. He indicted Mannafort and found out that Mannafort was working with the dems to get Russian dirt. Then he apparently has stopped cooperating with Mueller and has gone legal. oooops!!!!!

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

He has worked with many intelligence agencies in the past.

So have Flynn and numerous American KGB agents under Comey and Loretta.

No one should be allowed to live off their reputation in this mess. It all needs to be looked at.

Let the facts fall where they may.

 

[UsualName]

So have Flynn and numerous American KGB agents under Comey and Loretta.

No one should be allowed to live off their reputation in this mess. It all needs to be looked at.

Let the facts fall where they may.

Oh yeah, what facts do you have that support your assertion that the fbi colluded with the Podesta group?

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Oh yeah, what facts do you have that support your assertion that the fbi colluded with the Podesta group?

Who did/does Orff work for? Oh, I see. The FBI. Why was Orff demoted? Ohh, for interacting and colluding with a Fusion Group employee, his wife. Who passing dem/dnc funds to Fusion to support the work that his wife was doing. Oh, I see. The Podesta Group via their attorney who worked jointly for Podesta and the Clinton Campaign.

You can make it all go away but Podesta has not been able to do that. Ask yourself why after running his firm for thirty years, he suddenly closed it down within a matter of days after the connection was exposed.

Yeh, nothing to see there. uh, huh.

Also ask yourself why you and your ilk are trying so hard to keep the records and documents from being exposed to the light of day which would confirm or refute all of this. Yup. Nothing to see there.

 

[UsualName]

Who did/does Orff work for? Oh, I see. The FBI. Why was Orff demoted? Ohh, for interacting and colluding with a Fusion Group employee, his wife. Who passing dem/dnc funds to Fusion to support the work that his wife was doing. Oh, I see. The Podesta Group via their attorney who worked jointly for Podesta and the Clinton Campaign.

You can make it all go away but Podesta has not been able to do that. Ask yourself why after running his firm for thirty years, he suddenly closed it down within a matter of days after the connection was exposed.

Yeh, nothing to see there. uh, huh.

Also ask yourself why you and your ilk are trying so hard to keep the records and documents from being exposed to the light of day which would confirm or refute all of this. Yup. Nothing to see there.

Ohrr colluded with his wife? When, why, where, how? Do you have any evidence of this? A document, recording,witness, anything?

 

[vanzandt]

It is basically the same as quoting a moron from ET.

Well said.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Ohrr colluded with his wife? When, why, where, how? Do you have any evidence of this? A document, recording,witness, anything?

Ohr was fired for meeting with Fusion employees and not reporting it to his superiors/FBI who may not have even approved it if they knew. His wife was working on the dossier at Fusion and made for one more unreported, serious conflict. You are not allowed to see that and that is fine. Did not work out so well for Ohr and his penalties probably have not even started yet.

As usual, you have lots of enthusiasm for everything except releasing the related documents. You always allege that no one anywhere knows anything (Jim Jordan being one of your favorite targets) but, along with the rest, of your ilk , you resist the idea of releasing documents that he and many other congressmen have already seen.

That's fine. As I say regularly, what you say does not matter, but what is actually happening in DC does. Meanwhile, the documents will probably be released under duress, and ohr, podesta, lisa page, strzok are all scheduled to testify. So you just go ahead and continue to know nothing about anything, including fbi collusion to protect Hillary and to undermine trump. Stay stupid as long as you can. How is that working out for McCabe whose shady activities you refused to know anything about? And Strzok, and Ohr, and Lisa Page?

 

[UsualName]

Ohr was fired for meeting with Fusion employees and not reporting it to his superiors/FBI who may not have even approved it if they knew. His wife was working on the dossier at Fusion and made for one more unreported, serious conflict. You are not allowed to see that and that is fine. Did not work out so well for Ohr and his penalties probably have not even started yet.

As usual, you have lots of enthusiasm for everything except releasing the related documents. You always allege that no one anywhere knows anything (Jim Jordan being one of your favorite targets) but, along with the rest, of your ilk , you resist the idea of releasing documents that he and many other congressmen have already seen.

That's fine. As I say regularly, what you say does not matter, but what is actually happening in DC does. Meanwhile, the documents will probably be released under duress, and ohr, podesta, lisa page, strzok are all scheduled to testify. So you just go ahead and continue to know nothing about anything, including fbi collusion to protect Hillary and to undermine trump. Stay stupid as long as you can. How is that working out for McCabe whose shady activities you refused to know anything about? And Strzok, and Ohr, and Lisa Page?

Ohr was fired for meeting with fusion employees. Ok, that seems easy to prove, where’s your evidence?

Also, Ohr’s wife was working on the dossier? Where’s your proof for that?

Those two should be easy for you.