climate question

drjekyllus · Dec 10, 2009

Quote from bigdavediode:

He didn't call it a trick, he called it Mike's "Nature trick." You don't like to answer questions? What does the "Nature trick" mean, do you think?

He would want to hide the decline because the decline was reflected in proxy data rather than the actual measurements.

Actual measurements are always preferable as opposed to proxy data (ie. inferred data from proxy sources such as tree rings.)

LOL. Are you serious?

dcraig · Dec 10, 2009

Quote from drjekyllus:

LOL. Are you serious?

Of course he is bloody serious. If you want to measure temperature would you rather do it with a thermometer, or try to infer it from the width of tree rings? Hmmm.... I wonder which would be more reliable.

drjekyllus · Dec 10, 2009

Quote from dcraig:

Of course he is bloody serious. If you want to measure temperature would you rather do it with a thermometer, or try to infer it from the width of tree rings? Hmmm.... I wonder which would be more reliable.

I would rather play tricks with the data and hide the decline. That seems more suitable.

drjekyllus · Dec 10, 2009

Quote from dsq:

you epitomize anti science religious luddite idiot...palin says man walked with dinosaurs...stupid gop nuts.

Hmmm, you don't know what I do for a living and I haven't been to church in over 25 years. You are wrong once again.

Anyone who believes in science would be appalled at the pseudo-science that is MMGW.

Index piker · Dec 10, 2009

Quote from dsq:

Well i guess you could google ice core samples and see if you agree with the science or method.Just like you have the right to disagree that the world is not round or that smoking doesnt cause lung cancer.
Science is only relevant to those that believe in science and fact.Whereas most climate deniers also believe in stupid fairy tales and myth about some divine leader-cult. ie separating a sea or rising from the dead.

Its abhorent that mindless people like palin spew their anti science ignorance.Theres a lot of functioning illiterates like her though.I dont know why its become fashionable to be proudly ignorant.

For centuries society progressed via science and now people are protesting progression and science.Unreal

When science claims the debates over on AGW , disaster is imminent and
"God"is a fairy tale I'll gladly remain ignorant.

If science continues to hang it's collective hat on an AGW disaster, it will set it's reputation back hundreds of years.

drjekyllus · Dec 10, 2009

Quote from Index piker:

When science claims the debates over on AGW , disaster is imminent and
"God"is a fairy tale I'll gladly remain ignorant.

If science continues to hang it's collective hat on an AGW disaster, it will set it's reputation back hundreds of years.

If you want a real laugh look up James Hansen's 1988 Congressional testimony. He made a bunch of predictions that were completely off the mark. The MMGW cult claims that it is settled science. Well, why are the predictions of the settled science so screwed up. Its a complete joke and anything but science.

dcraig · Dec 10, 2009

Quote from drjekyllus:

I would rather play tricks with the data and hide the decline.

There is no decline to hide.

You want a glimpse of what is in store climate wise for the next couple of years, take a look at at the southern hemisphere as El Nino kicks in.

Australia has had it's hottest winter/spring on record. Just look at the mean maximum temperature anomaly for November. For most of SE Australia, it is 4C higher than the 1961-1990 mean. In large areas 6C. These are big, big numbers. It has been unremittingly hot and Summer has only just started - and we are currently at the minimum of the short term solar cycle.

Index piker · Dec 10, 2009

Quote from dcraig:

There is no decline to hide.

You want a glimpse of what is in store climate wise for the next couple of years, take a look at at the southern hemisphere as El Nino kicks in.

Australia has had it's hottest winter/spring on record. Just look at the mean maximum temperature anomaly for November. For most of SE Australia, it is 4C higher than the 1961-1990 mean. In large areas 6C. These are big, big numbers. It has been unremittingly hot and Summer has only just started - and we are currently at the minimum of the short term solar cycle.

BS like this makes the end of the world 2012 sound rational.

dcraig · Dec 10, 2009

Quote from Index piker:

BS like this makes the end of the world 2012 sound rational.

So you are saying the Australian Bureau of Meteorology is falsifying the data? What was that you were saying about rationality?

It illustrates how the natural weather cycles (such as El Nino) are superimposed on the longer term warming trend to produce new highs.

Index piker · Dec 10, 2009

Quote from dcraig:

So you are saying the Australian Bureau of Meteorology is falsifying the data? What was that you were saying about rationality?

It illustrates how the natural weather cycles (such as El Nino) are superimposed on the longer term warming trend to produce new highs.

1) I don't automatically assume that has any predictive power.

2) I don't care even if it does.

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