Climate Change... its the sun... again.

[jem]

lets start one at a time...

present us with say 5 peer reviewed papers in the last five years concluding man made co2
caused the earth to warm outside of natural variability.

if you can meet that very simple published paper hurdle we can examine the parts of the paper that count as science.

if you have some other way... such as NASA experiments I will happily review those as well.

I will assume that if you present nothing... you will have faced the issue I have faced when doing the research into the argument... back when I knew nothing about it save some posters here saying that co2 trials warming.

all I saw supporting the idea that man made co2 causes warming is years old papers about now failed computer models. And one paper which surmised that while warming does precede co2 accumulation the co2 supports further warming...

Which is plausible. out of an ice it warms... but then once you get warmer... since its becomes logarithmically becomes less effective at warming... it eventually because a shield to the sun and starts cooling.

 

[jem]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...te-scientist-global-warming-believers-a-cult/


“As with any cult, once the mythology of the cult begins falling apart, instead of saying, oh, we were wrong, they get more and more fanatical. I think that’s what’s happening here. Think about it,” he said. “You’ve led an unpleasant life, you haven’t led a very virtuous life, but now you’re told, you get absolution if you watch your carbon footprint. It’s salvation!”

Lindzen, 74, has issued calm dismissals of warmist apocalypse, reducing his critics to sputtering rage.

Last week, government agencies including NASA announced that 2014 was the “hottest year” in “recorded history,” as The New York Times put it in an early edition. Last year has since been demoted by the Times to the hottest “since record-keeping began in 1880.”

But that may not be true. Now the same agencies have acknowledged that there’s only a 38 percent chance that 2014 was the hottest year on record. And even if it was, it was only by two-100ths of a degree.

Lindzen scoffs at the public-sector-generated hysteria, which included one warmist blogger breathlessly writing that the heat record had been “shattered.”

“Seventy percent of the earth is oceans, we can’t measure those temperatures very well. They can be off a half a degree, a quarter of a degree. Even two-10ths of a degree of change would be tiny but two-100ths is ludicrous. Anyone who starts crowing about those numbers shows that they’re putting spin on nothing.”

 

[jem]

does anyone wonder why we have not even seen five papers from the last 5 years saying man made co2 causes warming... yet? In the past we have linked to dozens explaining the sun the tides and the clouds cause at least some of the warming and the cooling.

all we need are 5 in the last 5 so we can read them.

 

[Ricter]

does anyone wonder why we have not even seen five papers from the last 5 years saying man made co2 causes warming... yet? In the past we have linked to dozens explaining the sun the tides and the clouds cause at least some of the warming and the cooling.

all we need are 5 in the last 5 so we can read them.

I don't believe you'd accept any of them anyway, but... all kinds of links and papers "saying" that right here for you:

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

[gwb-trading]

I don't believe you'd accept any of them anyway, but... all kinds of links and papers "saying" that right here for you:

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

You do realize by now that climate.nasa.gov is NOT NASA, it is a bunch of graduate students at the California Institute of Technology.

The scientists who are employees of NASA have demanded for many years that the link to climate.nasa.gov be removed from the NASA website.

 

[jem]

you just perfectly illustrated the point..
that is evidence of warming from NASA but no evidence that explaining man made co2 is causing warming outside natural variability.

at least I did not see any...
can you please point to the science man made co2 is causing warming?



here is a footnote on the page.. of your science...
note the word speculation and its from the 1800s... please ricter that would be an onion piece if it were not part of the lefts agw psychosis.



"In the 1860s, physicist John Tyndall recognized the Earth's natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the atmospheric composition could bring about climatic variations. In 1896, a seminal paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius first speculated that changes in the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect."

I don't believe you'd accept any of them anyway, but... all kinds of links and papers "saying" that right here for you:

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

[Ricter]

you just perfectly illustrated the point..
that is evidence of warming from NASA but no evidence that explaining man made co2 is causing warming outside natural variability.

at least I did not see any...
can you please point to the science man made co2 is causing warming?

here is a footnote on the page.. of your science...
note the word speculation and its from the 1800s... please ricter that would be an onion piece if it were not part of the lefts agw psychosis.

"In the 1860s, physicist John Tyndall recognized the Earth's natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the atmospheric composition could bring about climatic variations. In 1896, a seminal paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius first speculated that changes in the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect."

"The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.1

"Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. Studying these climate data collected over many years reveal the signals of a changing climate.

"The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2 Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response."

 

[jem]

very nice...ricter... why do you bother... you know that is not science showing man made co2 is causing warming.

if I told you satellites can also detect the cooling properties of greenhouse gases would you call that proof that greenhouse gases cool. If I then implied that man made greenhouse gases are cooling the earth would you request the the science or say the issues is fully settled.

in fact I could truthfully tell you that science shows that water vapor cools the earth when it evaporates and humans make water vapor...

does that mean human activity is net cooling the earth?



http://www.weatherquestions.com/What_is_water_vapor.htm

What is water vapor?
Water vapor is water in its gaseous state-instead of liquid or solid (ice). Water vapor is totally invisible. If you see a cloud, fog, or mist, these are all liquid water, not water vapor.

Water vapor is extremely important to the weather and climate. Without it, there would be no clouds or rain or snow, since all of these require water vapor in order to form. All of the water vapor that evaporates from the surface of the Earth eventually returns as precipitation - rain or snow.

Water vapor is also the Earth's most important greenhouse gas, accounting for about 90% of the Earth's natural greenhouse effect, which helps keep the Earth warm enough to support life.

When liquid water is evaporated to form water vapor, heat is absorbed. This helps to cool the surface of the Earth. This "latent heat of condensation" is released again when the water vapor condenses to form cloud water. This source of heat helps drive the updrafts in clouds and precipitation systems, which then causes even more water vapor to condense into cloud, and more cloud water and ice to form precipitation.
Interesting facts:
Water Vapor Cools AND Warms the Climate System? When water evaporates from the surface of the Earth, it cools the surface. This keeps the surface from getting too hot. But because that water vapor is also the atmosphere's primary greenhouse gas, water vapor acts to keep the Earth's surface warmer than it would otherwise be.

So which effect is stronger, water vapor's cooling effect or warming effect? Interestingly, it is seldom mentioned in the global warming debate that the surface cooling effect of evaporation (which creates water vapor) is stronger than its greenhouse warming effect.
(page last updated 11/27/2010)

 

[Ricter]

very nice...ricter... why do you bother... you know that is not science showing man made co2 is causing warming.

if I told you satellites can also detect the cooling properties of greenhouse gases would you call that proof that greenhouse gases cool and implied that man made greenhouse gases are cooling the earth would you like to see the science.

in fact I could tell you water vapor cools the earth when it evaporates and humans make water vapor...

does that mean human activity is net cooling the earth?

Satellites could confirm the Earth is cooling, but they're showing it's warming:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/earth_energy.html

The Earth is definitely warming...

"The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.1"

It's very likely Man doing it...

"The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2 Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response."

Looks like CO2 is the main culprit.

 

[jem]

get back to me when you have science showing its man made co2 doing the warming and not natural variability.

seriously... you know you are bullshitting right now about having science...
why are you doing it?

if you had the science you would produce the link. you have not produced even 5 peer reviewed papers. That is the sick joke of this, there is no science showing man made co2 is warming the earth.

and now after doing the research and finding nothing... you know its true.

Satellites could confirm the Earth is cooling, but they're showing it's warming:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/earth_energy.html

The Earth is definitely warming...

"The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.1"

It's very likely Man doing it...

"The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2 Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response."

Looks like CO2 is the main culprit.