Climate Change... its the sun... again.

[gwb-trading]

Americans eat more than 624 million pounds of salmon a year, and about a third of it comes from the Pacific Ocean.

But will we (and our grandchildren) be fishing for or dishing up wild Pacific salmon in 50 years? How about 150 years? The answer depends on what we decide about climate change in the next few years.

A new study by a group of Canadian scientists, published in the journal Nature Climate Change, looks at how Pacific chinook salmon will fare as their streams become warmer in the next several decades.

On the upside, they found that young chinook showed the capacity to endure stream temperatures that were somewhat warmer than historic averages.

That means that climate change alone isn’t likely to cut off our supply of Pacific salmon steaks or sushi in the next few decades at least.

But they also found that there is just so much change that a salmon can stand: The chinook died in water temperatures above about 76 degrees Fahrenheit, which was about 7.2 degrees warmer than their natural river habitat.

Since climate change is set to warm most Pacific salmon streams of the U.S. and Canada at least that much in the next 100 to 150 years, “we need as a society to decide what is an acceptable level of risk, and come up with solutions,” said study coauthor Bryan Neff, a biologist at Western University in London, Ontario.

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The probability that global warming will warm salmon streams to a significant degree over the next 150 years is beyond unlikely. These streams are sourced primarily from melting ice. The temperature of these streams have not changed at all recently despite all the "global warming" activists claim happened over the recent decades. The predictions that the temperature of these streams will rise greatly due to "global warming" are just as good as the hockey stick projections from Mann and the IPCC which never occurred in nature.

 

[gwb-trading]

Shut up idiot. I'm so tired of your bullshit. You are just a fucking asshole.

 

[Ricter]

The probability that global warming will warm salmon streams to a significant degree over the next 150 years is beyond unlikely. These streams are sourced primarily from melting ice. The temperature of these streams have not changed at all recently despite all the "global warming" activists claim happened over the recent decades. The predictions that the temperature of these streams will rise greatly due to "global warming" are just as good as the hockey stick projections from Mann and the IPCC which never occurred in nature.

You appear to be wrong on this.

http://www.housemajority.org/coms/cli/inletkeeper_temp_overview.pdf

 

[gwb-trading]

You appear to be wrong on this.

http://www.housemajority.org/coms/cli/inletkeeper_temp_overview.pdf

So the text confirms exactly what I said...

"Yet despite the association between warming water temperatures and reduced salmonid survivorship - there is little or no consistent, long-term temperature data for salmon streams in Alaska. Without such basic information, it is impossible to gauge the health of Cook Inlet’s salmon habitats and resources, and equally difficult to develop management responses to improve watershed resiliency to climate and landscape change."

They NEVER took water temperatures... they are just predicting that the water temperature went up because the air temperature did.

"73 years of daily climate data from the Homer Airport reveals an upward air temperature trend that began worldwide in 1977 and appears to be accelerating. Results from a linear regression analysis suggest a very tight relationship between water and air temperatures collected in the lower Kenai Peninsula’s salmon streams. Climate models tell us that air temperatures will continue toincrease between 13oF and 15.5oF for the Cook Inlet basin by 2100. Water temperatures are predicted to follow suit and rise 5.4oF in the coming years"

You better go actually measure the water temperature if you are going to make assertions about warming water temperatures in salmon streams impacting the population!

 

[Wallet]

So the text confirms exactly what I said...

"Yet despite the association between warming water temperatures and reduced salmonid survivorship - there is little or no consistent, long-term temperature data for salmon streams in Alaska. Without such basic information, it is impossible to gauge the health of Cook Inlet’s salmon habitats and resources, and equally difficult to develop management responses to improve watershed resiliency to climate and landscape change."

They NEVER took water temperatures... they are just predicting that the water temperature went up because the air temperature did.

"73 years of daily climate data from the Homer Airport reveals an upward air temperature trend that began worldwide in 1977 and appears to be accelerating. Results from a linear regression analysis suggest a very tight relationship between water and air temperatures collected in the lower Kenai Peninsula’s salmon streams. Climate models tell us that air temperatures will continue toincrease between 13oF and 15.5oF for the Cook Inlet basin by 2100. Water temperatures are predicted to follow suit and rise 5.4oF in the coming years"

You better go actually measure the water temperature if you are going to make assertions about warming water temperatures in salmon streams impacting the population!

If you haven't figured it out by now the entire AGW scam is based on theory and conjecture, with little or no data to back it's claims, and where data is missing, assumption is inserted to fill in the blanks to promote a desired outcome. Moreover it's exponential in nature as so-call "Scientists" use prior boiler-housed data and build on it. What you cited is just another in a long line smoke and mirror data interpretations, with no basis what so ever, but touted as truth.

Btw, why is the science behind the OP linking the Sun's effect on climate ignored? Why is it only theorized CO2?

 

[Ricter]

So the text confirms exactly what I said...

"Yet despite the association between warming water temperatures and reduced salmonid survivorship - there is little or no consistent, long-term temperature data for salmon streams in Alaska. Without such basic information, it is impossible to gauge the health of Cook Inlet’s salmon habitats and resources, and equally difficult to develop management responses to improve watershed resiliency to climate and landscape change."

They NEVER took water temperatures... they are just predicting that the water temperature went up because the air temperature did.

"73 years of daily climate data from the Homer Airport reveals an upward air temperature trend that began worldwide in 1977 and appears to be accelerating. Results from a linear regression analysis suggest a very tight relationship between water and air temperatures collected in the lower Kenai Peninsula’s salmon streams. Climate models tell us that air temperatures will continue toincrease between 13oF and 15.5oF for the Cook Inlet basin by 2100. Water temperatures are predicted to follow suit and rise 5.4oF in the coming years"

You better go actually measure the water temperature if you are going to make assertions about warming water temperatures in salmon streams impacting the population!

It's as if they think there will be a heat exchange between the gas and the liquid it's in contact with!!1!

 

[jem]

its as if they think somehow the gas (documented) which trails change in ocean temps somehow all of sudden creates the warming even though all the recent papers we have show the sun and the tides are responsible for a larger part of the warming... if not all of the warming.

 

[Ricter]

its as if they think somehow the gas (documented) which trails change in ocean temps somehow all of sudden creates the warming even though all the recent papers we have show the sun and the tides are responsible for a larger part of the warming... if not all of the warming.

Actually, they have been measuring water temperatures. Gwb skimmed the article and missed that.

 

[gwb-trading]

Actually, they have been measuring water temperatures. Gwb skimmed the article and missed that.

Yeah... in that case please provide the direct quote in the article where they measured water temperatures..... and did not simply try to correlate it to air temperature.

 

[Ricter]

Yeah... in that case please provide the direct quote in the article where they measured water temperatures..... and did not simply try to correlate it to air temperature.

"Starting in 2002, Cook Inletkeeper has used data loggers
to collect continuous temperature data in salmon streams on the
lower Kenai Peninsula."