Clemency bid denied for gang killer
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I still haven't seen any statistical evidence as some members noted, that giving the right to life to murderers curbs or lowers homicide rates .
Talk is cheap indeed.
Talk is cheap indeed.
And if one, just one, wrongly-convicted (innocent) person is executed, is it worth it? If that innocent life was your son, your brother, your father, you? Is it still worth it?
If we execute an innocent person, haven't we become the murderers? Of course we'll come up w/all kinds of justifications and excuses, the same as all murderers do.
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This is the fail safe fallback argument for liberals who are full of it. In absolute numbers, there are more whites on death row than blacks. I have no problem with any death row inmate getting theirs. I hope that piece of garbage John Couey gets executed as well for raping that little girl before murdering her.
You race bait this issue because you really have no argument. Liberals are the ones who are obsessed with race, not the other way around.
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I still haven't seen any statistical evidence as some members noted, that giving the right to life to murderers curbs or lowers homicide rates .
Talk is cheap indeed.
here, just did a quick search....
from: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=12&did=168
"In the past ten years, the number of executions in the U.S. has increased while the murder rate has declined. Some commentators have maintained that the murder rate has dropped because of the increase in executions (see, e.g., W. Tucker, "Yes, the Death Penalty Deters," Wall St. Journal, June 21, 2002). However, during this decade the murder rate in non-death penalty states has remained consistently lower than the rate in states with the death penalty. (see Chart I, below)....
As executions rose, states without the death penalty fared much better than states with the death penalty in reducing their murder rates. The gap between the murder rate in death penalty states and the non-death penalty states grew larger (as shown in Chart II). In 1990, the murder rates in these two groups were 4% apart. By 2000, the murder rate in the death penalty states was 35% higher than the rate in states without the death penalty. In 2001, the gap between non-death penalty states and states with the death penalty again grew, reaching 37%. For 2002, the number stands at 36%. "
Nowadays it is highly unlikely for an innocent person to be convicted. The evidence has to be overwhelming.
Just ask R Blake or OJ Simpson if you don't believe me.
Just ask R Blake or OJ Simpson if you don't believe me.
Believe it or not, there are those here who would answer with "no."
One of those, whom I won't name, has said on a previous thread on this subject that even if 200 innocent people are killed by paroled murderers or murderers who have served their prison terms and are then released, it shows that the prisons are doing their role in habilitation.
As far as I am aware, the last major Dept. of Justice study on recidivism by US prisoner parolees was published in June of 2002. It involved meticulous research on over 272,000 prisoners who were released in '94. (approx. 400,000 prisoners were released that year). The study found that: Within 3 years of release, 2.5% of released rapists were rearrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for a new homicide.
Of further note: Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime.
And: The 67.5% of releases rearrested within 3 years, or 183,675 persons, were charged with 744,480 new crimes, or an average of 4 new crimes each (table 3). Over 100,000 were new charges for a violent crime, including 2,900 new homicides, 2,400 new kidnapings, 2,400 rapes, 3,200 other sexual assaults, 21,200 robberies, 54,600 assaults, and nearly 13,900 other violent crimes.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/rpr94.pdf
That is the data for within 3 years of release - it would be interesting to see the figures for beyond 3 years.
And the above is just a study of the released prisoners from one year, and only includes ex-criminals who were captured. The real figures of course are higher as the police don't catch all the repeat murderers - far from it, in fact.
Also:
The reentry of serious, high-risk offenders into communities across the country has long been the source of violent crime in the United States. As more than 630,000 offenders are released from prison every year, the problem of their recidivism has become a crisis that affects all parts of a community. Fewer than half of all released offenders stay out of trouble for at least 3 years after their release from prison, and many of these offenders commit serious and/or violent offenses while under parole supervision. This is a significant problem because there were more than 652,000 adult offenders under State parole supervision across the country at yearend 2000.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/reentry/learn.html
Clearly, released murderers have murdered many, many times again. But who do you hear the Liberals lauding and nominating for Nobel Prizes?
Not the thousands of people murdered, but their killers.
Sickening.
let me pose a scenerio to you;
-you live in a small town of 100 people.
-this town is self suficient espically in regards to tax earning & tax spending.
-1 person in your town killed 3 people in your town.
-he is found guilty by the jury.
-you are the towns judge and have to assign him punishement/solution.
what would you do;
a) keep him in prision for the rest of his life?
b) pay one of your towns workers to reabilitate him and re-release him into the community with a chance to kill again?
c) execute him?
d) other?
zzzzzzz, you seem to naturally take the opposing side of mainstream views and yet offer no alternative solutions. could i hear one please thats supported by facts?
and remember theres no such thing as a perfect system (that regards morals, economics and politics each in the highest favour) only one that works....