Classified docs contradict Nunes surveillance claims, GOP and Dem sources say

[jem]

so being that qunnipiac was one of those big democrat skewed polls... presuming they used the same type of democrat rich sample... I am sure when you unskew the poll at least 50% of the country is smart enough to not trust the media. That is good news for our country.


P.S. the poll was slanted 25 Reps - 34 Dems a very slanted poll.
Hence idiots who run or trust the media were massive over sampled and people who voted for trump were massively undersampled.

More distorted fake news.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...esident-trump-media-quinnipiac-poll/98283962/

Majority of Americans trust the media more than Trump: poll
Charles Ventura , USA TODAY Published 3:18 a.m. ET Feb. 23, 2017

When it boils down to matters of trust, a majority of Americans say they trust the media more than President Trump, according to a new poll.

The Quinnipiac University poll, released on Wednesday, asked participants if the media or Trump "tell you the truth about important issues." The survey said that 52% of voters trust the media, with only 37% saying they trusted Trump more.

Among Democrat voters, 86% said they were more inclined to believe the media than the president, while 78% of Republican voters said that Trump tells them the truth, not the media, according to the poll.

The survey comes after Trump repeated his criticism of the press, calling the "fake news media" the "enemy of the American people" in a Twitter post last week. Trump, who has increasingly called news coverage he does not agree with "fake," has also bashed on polls, tweeting earlier this month, "Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election," in reference to surveys conducted on his controversial travel ban.

Trump's attack on the media, as the Quinnipiac poll would suggest, has had a profound effect on the American public.

College-educated white voters and non-college educated white voters, for example, are divided on the trust level question — with 55% of the former trusting the media, compared to 55% of the latter believing Trump more, according to the poll. Nonwhite voters, in sharp contrast to non-college educated white voters, were more inclined to trust the media (68%) about important issues.

"The media, so demonized by the Trump Administration, is actually a good deal more popular than President Trump," Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said about the results.

Quinnipiac's report also suggests:

• 90% of Americans voters say it is "very important" or "somewhat important" "that the news media hold public officials accountable."
• 61% of people disapprove the way Trump talks about the media, while 50% of voters disapprove the media's coverage on Trump.

The poll, conducted by Quinnipiac University from Feb. 16-21, surveyed 1,323 voters across the U.S.

 

[java]

I thought they didn't trust Trump. So why are they bragging they're more trustworthy than him. How did they rank against used car salesman? Ask how many trust their own common sense more than the media?

 

[Tony Stark]

so being that qunnipiac was one of those big democrat skewed polls... presuming they used the same type of democrat rich sample... I am sure when you unskew the poll at least 50% of the country is smart enough to not trust the media. That is good news for our country.

50 % is higher than trust in Trump,Trumps approval rating,Gop Congress approval,and the republican party rating.

 

[piezoe]

After Syria Attacks Corporate Media Russia Industrial Complex Grinds to a Halt

For months, the corporate media and political drumbeats have been thumping the same old chestnuts: Donald Trump is Putin’s puppet, Hillary Clinton‘s epic defeat is somehow not valid, and any journalist who asked for incontrovertible evidence of Russian collusion is a Kremlin agent.

For several weeks at a time, we’ve also seen pundit parties with an open buffet table of groupthink and “stated-as-fact” proclamations that Russia “hacked the election.” Trump’s inner circle and possibly Trump himself are a stooge of Russia, was the major news theme of the past two months.

Well, if Trump’s a puppet, he needs new strings.

Because if Trump is living under some type of dark, Putin-extortion cloud that holds damning financial or embarrassing social information over him, it would be highly stupid of the Donald to claim Russia is somehow covering for Syrian President Bashar-al-Assad‘s alleged chemical weapons attack on his own people.

But, that’s exactly what Trump did Tuesday, dispensing his administration to suggest Russia had forewarning about the Syrian government’s alleged chemical attacks. He also claimed both Russia and Syria had put forth “false narratives” about the attack.

Make no mistake—I’m no fan of President Trump (despite the establishment, pro-Clinton trolls accusing me and others of being Kremlin super spies). It brings me no pleasure to toss points his way, but it is journalists’ jobs to call a spade a spade.

If President Trump and his inner circle were truly puppets for Russia—or colluded with Russia to catapult him into the White House—it’s pretty much political suicide to wage a war of words and accusations over Russia potentially being complicit in a chemical weapons attack. Especially if, as has been alleged in a not-so-subtle whisper campaign, that the Kremlin has “kompromat” on Trump.

So, alas, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, Washington Post, and the rest of the usual suspects are already out with introspective segments and pieces exploring whether they rushed to judgment on the evil, Cold-War 2.0 that saw Bolshevik Trump serving as Putin’s play toy.

Of course not!

Because in corporate media, you can toss out baseless propaganda uninterrupted for months—to avoid actual reporting or investigation into the reason millions of Americans have turned against bought-off politicians and media—and then face no accountability when reality reenters the building.

And this dance goes on and on; “reporters” and pundits will gorge on groupthink based off speculative nonsense, ignoring all evidence—or lack there of—to the contrary. The worst part: all of these folks think they’re actually performing journalism, while ignoring the actual scandals permeating America.

You know, like Flint, Michigan still unable to drink its water three years after being poisoned (and now facing water shutoffs for poison water); East Chicago, Indiana being lead-poisoned for three decades with no government action; banks continuing to try and bilk their customers while President Trump takes a machete to financial regulations; states blocking cities from raising the minimum wage; and a countless list of other injustices that get no coverage.

I guess actual scandal that affects everyday peoples lives are useless if they don’t mirror the Rocky IV plot; no, those stories are just not sexy enough for the living-in-an-ivory-tower-corporate media.

Who, collectively, have a lot of explaining to do about its Russian roulette propaganda that was more what the collective establishment wanted to be true than was reporting based on provable facts.

You know, that thing called journalism.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/afte...a-russia-industrial-complex-grinds-to-a-halt/

Thanks for that interesting viewpoint. There is a lot o be contemplated. Certainly the writers condemnation of the media is not undeserved. This paragraph especially caught my eye:

Because in corporate media, you can toss out baseless propaganda uninterrupted for months—to avoid actual reporting or investigation into the reason millions of Americans have turned against bought-off politicians and media—and then face no accountability when reality reenters the building.
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The writer has not taken account of why the media selectively reports. It is audience share and advertising of course that drives their decisions, but subliminally. It's unlikely they calculate; more likely it seems they are just responding as Pavlov's dogs would and return again and again to what has been rewarding in the past. We prefer blood and murder, rape and scandal to lead in pipes. And if you can weave the President in, its all the more entertaining.

The writers suggestion that we'd somehow be better of if the media spent more time reporting on and investigating why millions of Americans are being turned against bought-off politicians and media, I expect to fall on deaf ears. No real reward there. And besides we may not need to investigate, we may already know the reason. The reason may be as simple, and as simple minded, as alternative facts are everywhere these days. And thirty odd percent of us prefer alternative facts. But i'll not think about this now. I'm busy turning the channel to "Naked and Alone".

So I did my best to get into the mindset of the disgruntled and disaffected. You know, the one's who have figured out the media and the bought off politicians are lying. But I failed to reach their conclusions. I couldn't understand the value of detonating a tactical nuke in the midst of everything. I still, no matter how I tried, believed that there was enough worth saving, enough to build on, to make total destruction and starting over a bad idea.

 

[jem]

in a terrible slanted poll. Plus I am not defending trump until he starts doing the things he said he was going to do.

right now he is acting like a democrat/establishment republican. You should be defending him soon.

50 % is higher than trust in Trump,Trumps approval rating,Gop Congress approval,and the republican party rating.

 

[Tony Stark]

right now he is acting like a democrat/establishment republican. You should be defending him soon.

LOL that was funny

 

[piezoe]

I am not defending trump until he starts doing the things he said he was going to do.

I think he did start by trying to do the things he said he would do, didn't he? And then more sane advisors caught his ear. But they are in trouble now. He has already driven away some of the government's most competent employees and with them important institutional knowledge. What you see going on right before your eyes is a petulant, impulsive, spoiled, over grown child with a mild learning disability and a serious personality disorder being taught, to the extent he can be, and otherwise controlled, by others in an attempt to keep him from doing something truly disastrous. Let's hope they can keep a watchful eye over him. He's a loose cannon.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

He's a loose cannon.

Ironic that the complaints from his supporters are that he was convinced against his prior positions to get involved in the Syrian situation.

Trump's instincts tend to be sound. The problem is, he is a rookie politician and is increasingly surrounded by precisely the sort of people we voted to keep out of power.

 

[piezoe]

Ironic that the complaints from his supporters are that he was convinced against his prior positions to get involved in the Syrian situation.

Trump's instincts tend to be sound. The problem is, he is a rookie politician and is increasingly surrounded by precisely the sort of people we voted to keep out of power.

There may be something to this. On the other had if it is true that his instincts "tend to be sound" and those "people who surround him" are the one's his instincts led him to select for roles in his administration, there is an element of self annihilation here. So you can understand, I think, why I may remain skeptical of your analysis. It seems inconsistent to me..

My own analysis would be that his personality disorder predisposes him to trust those who fawn over him, or at worst those who he instinctively wants to ingratiate himself with. And having little knowledge beyond his private business dealings, and what he has gleaned from the media, including the highly unreliable social media, and also being controlled by his involuntary narcissism, he is both unprepared and psychologically incapable of assessing the veracity and probity of those bending his ear. He wants praise, and he will give deference to those who provide it. He may be an easy mark for anyone with ulterior motives. Let us remember that we can not rely on his own assessment of his business and deal making prowess because of his narcissistic disorder! When you look dispassionately at his business record, it is very mixed. There is nothing remarkable beyond the unusually high frequency of litigation. His total returns on investments, until now, have been no better than ordinary and some have said below par.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

On the other had if it is true that his instincts "tend to be sound" and those "people who surround him" are the one's his instincts led him to select for roles in his administration, there is an element of self annihilation here. So you can understand, I think, why I may remain skeptical of your analysis. It seems inconsistent to me..

There is a massive inconsistency, and there have been low level complaints from the beginning that he was appointing establishment figures. Partly I think he did it because he respects highly accomplished people, whether they are business tycoons or generals. He is not so vain that he doesn't want to have experienced and highly competent people advising him. Part of it was an attempt both to rebut criticism that he was dangerously radical and to facilitate finding common ground with the establishments of both parties.

Nothing wrong with that, and it stands in marked contrast to Obama, who appointed only fellow far left radicals, mostly minorities. But now it seems the establishment tail is beginning to wag the swamp draining dog. Poor Bannon has become the symbolic gauge of which side is winning, and he is getting pulled back and forth like a chew toy between two puppies.

This situation was always the danger of electing a novice who had not spent decades in the public policy wars.

There is another aspect unfortunately, which is his family. He didn't select them, but he is devoted to them. That gives us a situation where he is vulnerable to emotional manipulation, even if unintentional. And it creates an unfair playing field for those who might oppose a family member's ideas. Many have heard the famous words ("You're fired") after too many disagreements with a family member.

For the Trump children, protecting the Trump business brand has to be a primary objective. Ivanka doesn't like being called a racist bigot and having her clothing line dropped over boycotts. Then there's the hotel business. Cooperation with local governments is crucial, here or abroad. So they prefer a more congenial approach and more centrist objectives than Bannon.

None of this is the end of the world. Trump is a smart guy and should be able to figure it out.