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Quote from ammo:

sh 86 65 bid .86 10 stop..add 94 stopped short 11 out 01 no patience for scalping

Don't feel bad, I have no patience for holding. I left so much money on the table on my last equity swing trade, it's ridiculous.
 
ND,

"Then analyze the max favorable and adverse price excursion (MFE & MAE) using various trade entry methods,"

I know what you mean here, but you might want to put this in more layman`s terms for the newbies reading this thread trying to learn.

I don`t read trading books, maybe this is Brook`s or Some other Author`s technical wordsmithing, or maybe you invented it but it came from somewhere, damn meme (lol) but just imagine if F@@cking were described in the same euphemistic manner - nobody would ever think F@@cking was fun:)
 
Quote from NoDoji:

Don't feel bad, I have no patience for holding. I left so much money on the table on my last equity swing trade, it's ridiculous.
i think you are the adhd hyper kind and im just add, all the hyper is gone,just a guess,for one scalping would be fun and the other too fast,conversely swing trading would be to boring for one and perfect fit for the other
 
Quote from Datradr:

NO +DOJI

Do you ever sell part of your swing positions then let the rest ride? i would think you would love that type of style

No, because so many times when I've tried scaling out in the past I end up with less on the second half, but I imagine on swing trades I intend to hold for more than just a day, it would make sense.
 
Quote from BlueStreek:

ND,

"Then analyze the max favorable and adverse price excursion (MFE & MAE) using various trade entry methods,"

I know what you mean here, but you might want to put this in more layman`s terms for the newbies reading this thread trying to learn.

I don`t read trading books, maybe this is Brook`s or Some other Author`s technical wordsmithing, or maybe you invented it but it came from somewhere, damn meme (lol) but just imagine if F@@cking were described in the same euphemistic manner - nobody would ever think F@@cking was fun:)

LMAO! I remember reading that MFE and MAE in Matcha's thread and I'd missed the explanation of it and thought to myself "WTF is she talking about, these guys sound like they know what the heck they're doing, I missed class and now I'm screwed..." :p

For me as a scalper, the max favorable excursion is how far price runs favorably from a defined entry before turning around and making a price swing in the opposite direction; max adverse excursion is how far price runs against a defined entry before turning back in the direction of the trade. This helps define where to place stops and targets.

For those who hold thru retraces in a trending move, these levels might be how far price runs before printing a trend reversal pattern, or taking out a trend line.

I'm all about individual price swings, even in a trending move, I'm in and out like the burger all the way up or down. Uh oh, gotta be careful, Ammo might get all excited by this sort of talk and starting posting boobs, nips, and cleavage. :D
 
Quote from NoDoji:

No, because so many times when I've tried scaling out in the past I end up with less on the second half, but I imagine on swing trades I intend to hold for more than just a day, it would make sense.

page 265 - "WHAT TO AVOID"

"There is one kind of exit that is designed to get rid of losses, but it totally goes against the golden rule of trading of cut your losses short and let your profit run. Instead, it produces large losses and small profits. This type of exit is one in which you enter the market with multiple contracts and then scale out with various exits...On a gut level, this sort of trading makes sense because you seem to be "insuring" your profits. But if you step back from this sort of exit and really study it, you'll see how dangerous this type of trading is.

What you are actually doing with this sort of exit is practicing reverse position sizing. You are making sure that you will have multiple positions when you take your largest losses...It's a perfect method for people with a strong bias to be right, but it doesn't optimize profits or even guarantee profits"

--- "Trade Your Way To Financial Freedom" by Van Tharp

Reading between the lines, Tharp is saying that this style of position management will force you to maintain a HIGHER winning pct because your long-term avg win will be LOWER than someone who trades all-in / all-out (due to the larger account beatings you took on the total losers and the trades which could not match the performance of the all-in / all-outer).
 
Steve, that has always been my belief about scaling out of trades. Since I have no idea if any given trade will be a winner or loser, this method means I'm placing the full position at risk on every trade and but may often get less than minimum target on part of the winning moves.
 
Quote from BlueStreek:

ND,

"Then analyze the max favorable and adverse price excursion (MFE & MAE) using various trade entry methods,"


I found this diagram on a website, isn't it a$$ backwards.

After looking at it again I am associating the arrows with MFE and MAE, when they have the description in the correct zone.
 

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