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Hope everyone's doing well and made some money. Took the day off. Had some other business to tend to and had plenty of fun and games yesterday. :)

Here's an article on Bin Laden's death and its influence on the markets.

May 2, 2011, 3:37 p.m. EDT

Bin Laden death won’t bring stability: experts
Oil markets could see increased volatility, panelists say


By Russ Britt, MarketWatch

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — Despite an initial market fallout for oil in markets, the killing of Osama bin Laden won’t quell concerns on petroleum prices, a panel of economists and asset managers said Monday at a conference in Los Angeles.

The death of bin Laden could create even more instability to the Middle East and northern African nations now undergoing turmoil, potentially driving up oil prices and creating more economic strife for the U.S. and other developed countries.

“I don’t want to sound pessimistic, but I’m not sure [it is] great,” Ruben Vardanian, chief executive of the Moscow-based asset management company Troika Dialog Group, told a moderator at the Milken Conference.

Vardanian said any stability hoped for with the toppling of perhaps the U.S.’s most notorious nemesis is likely to be a fallacy in today’s world.

“Stability is not necessarily there,” he said. “It’s part of new life.”

Vardanian was on a panel that included Pimco Chief Executive Mohamed El-Erian, Guggenheim Chief Investment Officer Scott Minerd and Laura Tyson, former chair of the president’s council of economic advisers under the Clinton Administration and current University of California, Berkeley professor.

While the group diverged widely on the causes and status of the current global economic situation, they all agreed that although bin Laden’s death was a gain for the U.S. in military terms, its effect on the markets could be detrimental.

“It might be equally destabilizing to the oil market,” Tyson said.

Their views were echoed by noted economist and forecaster Nouriel Roubini, who said in a separate discussion at the annual gathering of economists and business leaders that much of the world stage will remain as is.

“The fact that he’s gone doesn’t significantly change the geopolitical situation,” Roubini said. “I think the death of bin Laden doesn’t significantly change that.”

And Roubini warned that further increases in oil prices could lead to double-dip recession for such developed nations as the U.S., Japan, Germany and Great Britain. He said it’s not speculation that’s pushing up oil prices as in past spikes, but rather increased demand from China and other developing nations.

“If oil prices rise another 20%, that could create a double dip,” Roubini said.

Roubini and the panelists devoted considerable time to bin Laden and the after-effects of his demise, but the group had assembled to dissect global economics. One key theme running throughout both Roubini’s talk and those of the panelists was whether other nations such as China would overtake the U.S. as the central global economic power and how long that would take.

El-Erian said that while the U.S. remained the biggest player, it no longer dominated the world economic stage. Using a musical metaphor, he likened the current world economy to that of an orchestra playing without the one single conductor that it once had. When the economic crisis of 2008 hit and the U.S. nearly fell into depression, various nations got a new sheet of music.

Now that developing nations such as China and Brazil are forging out into their own directions, getting those economies in tune with mature countries like the U.S. could be tough, especially if oil prices remain high and the housing market doesn’t stabilize.

“Different sections of this orchestra are playing different tunes,” he said. “Let’s hope you can get a conductor. But don’t plan on it.”

Still, Roubini said the U.S.’s economic might remains stronger than that of any other nation. He said any discussion of moving away from the dollar as the world’s reserve currency is premature as it would take several decades for that to occur.

“You could say the U.S. is in an area of relative decline,” Roubini said.

He added, however, that the U.S. won’t see a return to massive, quick growth as in past upsurges.

“This recession won’t be [V-shaped], it will be a ‘U’,” he said. “Four percent growth is like going to Mars. It’s not going to happen.”
 
Quote from Eddiemorra:

5min charts.
usually my stop is hit and then it ZOOMS in my favour, lol - But most people say my stops are already too big so I guess I shouldn't increase them. Nodoji apparently uses tiny stops which dont tend to ever get hit so my entry is clearly way off.

My stops only get hit when I buy the high tick or sell the low tick. I think it's been several days since I did one of those :D

Eddie, I looked at a few of your trades and you’re either placing the stop in no-man’s land, or you’re entering the position in no-man’s land. I liked your long @ 112.44, I was long there, too, and I also flipped short at the open. But on the short position, you need to have the stop outside previous resistance (above 112.55) or you risk getting stopped out needlessly because the trend-followers won’t give up that easily and will try to push it. For better confirmation, you could just wait and short a break of the pivot low (112.24) and treat the trade as a breakout trade with a real small stop.

Your next trade was in no man’s land. Price fully retraced a big down bar off a previous resistance zone (111.92-111.96 between 6:25 and 6:40 eastern time), and was in a good uptrend before that pullback. That's strong buying pressure and previous R becomes S, so there’s no way to know if it’s a long or a short at 112.41. If 112.42 breaks upside, look to buy a pullback. If it sells off from there and closes below the 20 EMA, watch for a short entry signal.

Your long @ 113.64 was late, but not a bad idea, because of support at the pivot point. You either have to use a stop below that pivot low (113.36), or wait for price to move higher and pull back, or retest that low and attract buyers again. You see, there were traders shorting 113.66, break of the 12:10 ET bar low (pullback pivot entry to the short side) and that’s where price should find resistance at least temporarily. So you don’t want to chase an entry into that zone on the first move up. Not that I haven’t done that plenty of times when I hesitate to get in at the initial trigger price.

Bigsnack put it really well: “I liked your long, just not the entry price. One of my lightbulb moments along my path was when I realized that my "setups" didn't always line up exactly with my "entry triggers". The setup can occur, but all that does is alert me to look to see if a nice trigger has the potential of appearing. The rushing of an entry, even with a valid setup presenting itself, can lead to what's been happening to you where you are getting stopped when you are wrong AND when you are right.”
 
NoDoji, i also like what Bigsnack has written (great post, Bigsnack!). However, my question then is, if you are waiting for a good entry point, what happens if the breakout never gives you a better entry point e.g. some big momentum move in whichyou're either in it or you're not?. Surely you would miss those trades which have the capacity of being huge winners.
 
Btw, i was also went short at the same time as eddie, (he went in at 335 , i managed 340), the difference was that i had a 50 tick stop. The market retraced, took eddie out and then reversed agin. I covered at 300.
 
Quote from Visaria:

NoDoji, i also like what Bigsnack has written (great post, Bigsnack!). However, my question then is, if you are waiting for a good entry point, what happens if the breakout never gives you a better entry point e.g. some big momentum move in whichyou're either in it or you're not?. Surely you would miss those trades which have the capacity of being huge winners.

I know the question was posed to NoD, but my .02 is that YOU MISS THEM. The art of being a great trader is waiting for the conditions to line up perfectly, and then going b@lls out when you have the highest degree of confidence that the market will do what you are anticipating. The exception to this is having a defined plan for buying a breakout so that you know up front that your risk conditions are different than waiting for a good entry. With experience you would probably have a feel when to bend rules, but the discipline will only come if you follow the plan. If it means you miss a trade, then so be it.

Don't approach the market (and especially the CL) with fear. Not only fear of loss, but fear of missing out. The CL will make you pay for those types of mistakes.
 
Quote from bigsnack:

I know the question was posed to NoD, but my .02 is that YOU MISS THEM. The art of being a great trader is waiting for the conditions to line up perfectly, and then going b@lls out when you have the highest degree of confidence that the market will do what you are anticipating. The exception to this is having a defined plan for buying a breakout so that you know up front that your risk conditions are different than waiting for a good entry. With experience you would probably have a feel when to bend rules, but the discipline will only come if you follow the plan. If it means you miss a trade, then so be it.

Don't approach the market (and especially the CL) with fear. Not only fear of loss, but fear of missing out. The CL will make you pay for those types of mistakes.

I agree, if you chase a move because you missed an entry, you better have all your levels noted so you don't buy/sell right in to the hands of someone who has all their levels noted! It sucks when that happens.

If a move is underway without you and there's decent airspace to the next S/R level to be tested, I suggest using the 1-min chart to position yourself midstream and also to place a tight stop. In a strong momentum move, usually the high/low of no more than a single previous 1-min bar is breached.

Take this morning's breakout, for example. There was a pre-open high of 112.70 that was in play after price closed above the 20-bar EMA on the 9:05-9:10 am ET bars. If you weren't positioned in advance at some point, or you didn't have your buy stop in place @ 112.71 ahead of time, you never got to look at 112.70 again once it broke out. Price ran straight up to the next key level of 112.90, at which point 113.09, 113.50, 113.72 and 114.18 were all in line to be broken.

So you missed a really strong breakout, but you can still enter on a 1-min bar and use the low of the previous bar for stop placement. Just be careful not enter right into one of the key levels because you never know which one will hold as resistance. So I would enter long during the 9:17am bar or the 9:18 bar, but no higher than 113.00, because 113.09 is a key level and price could sell off there.

Once 113.09 breaks, there's airspace thru 113.50, so there's a good chance to get long midstream. Just take into account your potential R:R and use the S/R levels as a guide.

Hope that helps a bit with regard to chasing a move.

Pullback entries almost always give you a second chance (and usually a "safer" chance) to get in. True breakout plays may not give you a second chance. By true breakout plays I mean breaks of previous highs/lows in a strong trend and ascending/descending triangle breakouts. It's important to have your order ready well in advance or get positioned in advance, using a previous bar's S/R level or a minor 1-min trend line as a guide.
 
Quote from NoDoji:

I agree, if you chase a move because you missed an entry, you better have all your levels noted so you don't buy/sell right in to the hands of someone who has all their levels noted! It sucks when that happens.

If a move is underway without you and there's decent airspace to the next S/R level to be tested, I suggest using the 1-min chart to position yourself midstream and also to place a tight stop. In a strong momentum move, usually the high/low of no more than a single previous 1-min bar is breached.

Take this morning's breakout, for example. There was a pre-open high of 112.70 that was in play after price closed above the 20-bar EMA on the 9:05-9:10 am ET bars. If you weren't positioned in advance at some point, or you didn't have your buy stop in place @ 112.71 ahead of time, you never got to look at 112.70 again once it broke out. Price ran straight up to the next key level of 112.90, at which point 113.09, 113.50, 113.72 and 114.18 were all in line to be broken.

So you missed a really strong breakout, but you can still enter on a 1-min bar and use the low of the previous bar for stop placement. Just be careful not enter right into one of the key levels because you never know which one will hold as resistance. So I would enter long during the 9:17am bar or the 9:18 bar, but no higher than 113.00, because 113.09 is a key level and price could sell off there.

Once 113.09 breaks, there's airspace thru 113.50, so there's a good chance to get long midstream. Just take into account your potential R:R and use the S/R levels as a guide.

Hope that helps a bit with regard to chasing a move.

Pullback entries almost always give you a second chance (and usually a "safer" chance) to get in. True breakout plays may not give you a second chance. By true breakout plays I mean breaks of previous highs/lows in a strong trend and ascending/descending triangle breakouts. It's important to have your order ready well in advance or get positioned in advance, using a previous bar's S/R level or a minor 1-min trend line as a guide.


"That's gold, Jerry! Gold!" - Bania to Seinfeld. I'm sure you mentioned the above in some form before. But it doesn't take hold until you've actually been the through the situation. I hesitated on a long entry around 112.45 cause it wasn't my setup and didn't get in. Then price took off and I was fearful on entering on my correct setup because of the quick, big move. Anyway now I have a template for recognizing when to be fearful/cautious and when not to be. Thanks
 
thanks for your replies, Nodoji.
Im gonna go over them again when Im less distracted.

As for today, I think statisctically, I HAVE to have a winning trade or 2, otherwise id surely be breaking some sort of world record for consecutive losses! :D

good luck
 
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