Civil discourse on gun control

But we'd rather blame the NRA.

Last paragraph is key:

Meanwhile, the anti-2nd Amendment crowd continues to peddle children around to try and strip law abiding Americans of their right to bear arms - ignoring the fact that had the FBI and Broward County authorities simply done their jobs, 17 people would still be with us.

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FBI Tipster Transcript Leaked: Cruz Will "Get Into A School And Shoot The Place Up": Full Text



Update: Amid public demands for transparency, the Broward Police have released the full list of 23 calls for service to the home of attacker Nikolas Cruz, in a desperate bid to deflect criticism over handling the Parkland school shooting. The final call, however, just like the transcript from the January 5 call discussed below, shows that serious concerns were not acted on.

“In the interest of full transparency, we are making available the list of all 23 calls for service at the Cruz home,” the sheriff’s office said in a Friday tweet. “18 involved Nikolas Cruz. None appeared arrestable under Florida law. However, two of the calls remain under internal investigation.”

As color coded in the list, the most serious warning came on November 30, 2017, when a caller located in Massachusetts advised that Cruz was collecting knives and was likely to conduct a school shooting. The caller was concerned Cruz would kill himself and “be a school shooter in the making.” They believed that Cruz’s weapons were kept at a friend's house.

The incident was categorized as ‘suspicious’ by Broward County Police but no report was initiated, according to the document. That call is now under Internal Affairs review and investigation, the document shows

In two incidents from 2012, Nikolas fought with his brother, Zachary, and hit his mother, Linda Cruz, with a plastic vacuum cleaner hose. In 2013, Linda told police Nikolas threw her against a wall because she confiscated his Xbox games console. The following year, he punched the wall after she took away the Xbox again. Later, in 2014, a neighbor reported Nikolas had shot at his chickens with an airsoft rifle, a replica of a real gun that shoots plastic pellets. In a "suspicious incident" recorded in 2016, an Instagram report said that Cruz was going to “shoot up a school.” The Instagram post involved a picture of guns.

A pdf of the full list of service calls can be found at the following link.

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Earlier

A person close to Nikolas Cruz, the teenager accused of killing 17 people at a Florida high school on Valentines day, warned the FBI she was concerned Cruz would "get into a school and just shoot the place up," according to a leaked transcript of her call to the bureau's tip line one month before the massacre.

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The transcript, seen by the Wall Street Journal, provides chilling detail about the woman’s efforts on January 5, just over a month before the February 14 tragedy, to warn authorities about Nikolas Cruz’s propensity for violence and his troubled past.

Tragically, the FBI was busier with other things.

“You know, it’s just so much,” said the caller. “I know he’s—he’s going to explode.” The woman said she was making the call because she wanted a “clear conscience if he takes off and, and just starts shooting places up,” according to the transcripts which were reviewed by the Wall Street Journal.

The caller also mentioned that Cruz dressed up as a ninja or an ISIS fighter, according to the WSJ.

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While the FBI last week acknowledged receiving such a call, the transcript, and the stark nature of the caller’s precise warnings about Cruz’s disturbing actions and volatile temperament, previously hasn’t been made public.

“It’s alarming to see these pictures and to know what he’s capable of doing and what could happen,” the caller continued. “He’s [been] thrown out of all these schools because he would pick up a chair and just throw it at somebody, a teacher or a student, because he didn’t like the way they were talking to him.”

She also said that Cruz was due to inherit $25,000 a year, from a life insurance policy, and she was worried that he would spend it on guns.

Psychopath

The concerned Cruz acquaintance also told the FBI that he mutilated frogs, and at least on one occasion, a bird.

He brought the bird into the house,” she recounted. “He threw it on his mother’s kitchen counter and he started cutting it up. He has all kinds of hunting knives. I don’t know what knife he used, though. And he started cutting the bird up, and his mother…said, ‘What’re you doing?’ And he says, ‘I want to see what’s inside.’”

The caller then said, “That to me would be a red flag.

Apparently not so much to the FBI, which admitted last week that it failed to forward the call to the Miami field office for investigation.

The FBI also admitted that the Bureau had investigated a school shooting threat made on YouTube last year but could not identify person behind it - despite Nikolas Cruz using his real name to sign the threat which quite literally says "Im going to be a professional school shooter."

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The man who reported Cruz, Ben Bennight, spoke with the FBI last year for about 20 minutes, and there was no follow-up from the FBI after that initial conversation.

Then, Bennight told CBS that he again spoke with the FBI on Wednesday night for about 20 minutes. They wanted to know if he knew anything more after first reporting the YouTube video last year. He said the same agent/agents he spoke with last year came to his home Wednesday.

Furthermore, as we reported earlier today, CNN's FOIA of Broward County 911 records has produced a steady stream of scoops about Parkland, Fla. school shooter Nikolas Cruz fleshing out much of what is publicly known about Cruz's background and the various reports made warning the FBI and other authorities about his threatening behavior.

The police were warned about Cruz's violent past - that he'd "used a gun against people before" and had "put the gun to others' heads in the past" - but still they did nothing.

The FBI last week issued a statement disclosing that the call wasn’t passed on to its Miami field office for investigation.

“Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life,” the FBI said. “The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami field office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.”

The FBI and the Justice Department are investigating why the lead wasn’t followed up.

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In addition to the FBI's monumental failure and a steady stream of 911 calls about Cruz, video evidence revealed that an armed Broward County resource deputy stationed at Stoneman Douglas High School during the Valentine's day massacre did "nothing" during the shooting - instead waiting outside as a gunman opened fire on students and teachers.

The officer, Scot Peterson, resigned shortly after being placed on leave.

"We're not going to disclose the video at this time, and we may never disclose the video depending on the prosecution and the criminal case,"said Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.

"These families lost their children, we lost coaches. I've been to the funerals. I've been to the homes where they're sitting shiva. I've been to the vigils. It's just, there are no words."

When asked by a reporter what the deputy should have done, the Sheriff replied "Went in. Address the killer. Kill the killer."

Meanwhile, the anti-2nd Amendment crowd continues to peddle children around to try and strip law abiding Americans of their right to bear arms - ignoring the fact that had the FBI and Broward County authorities simply done their jobs, 17 people would still be with us.

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The full leaked FBI transcript is below (pdf link):
 
Your statement regarding 2/3 of Americans wanting tightened controls on guns is a disingenuous one. Please show what 2/3rds of Americans support. It is not a national registry or a ban. It is common sense background checks (as an example). As for criminal penalties, again, there is no national registry, so how could there be enforcement?

Here is an article about "compliance" with the New York State SAFE act. Have a read, then tell me why you think it would be different with any similar compliance initiative.

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In January 2013, as the nation still mourned the Sandy Hook massacre, New York State enacted one of the nation’s strictest gun control laws. But three and a half years later, state records obtained after a lengthy court battle show that a key provision of the New York Safe Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act — mandatory registration of assault weapons — has been roundly ignored by gun owners in Ulster County and across the state.

The NY SAFE Act defines assault weapons as any rifle, pistol or shotgun that uses a detachable magazine and has one of a laundry list of “military features,” including flash suppressors, folding stocks, bayonet lugs and heat shields. The law banned new sales of assault weapons in the state and required current owners to register the firearms with state police.

In 2014, attorney and policy analyst Paloma Capanna filed suit on behalf of Rochester-based radio host Bill Robinson seeking data on NY SAFE Act compliance: specifically, how many assault weapons had actually been registered in the state.

Cuomo administration officials first ignored, then denied Robinson’s Freedom of Information Act request. But, on June 22, following two years of litigation, state police released the information based on a court decision which found that while the law forbade the disclosure of the actual registration forms, nothing precluded the release of aggregate data.

That data shows massive noncompliance with the assault weapon registration requirement. Based on an estimate from the National Shooting Sports Federation, about 1 million firearms in New York State meet the law’s assault-weapon criteria, but just 44,000 have been registered. That’s a compliance rate of about 4 percent. Capanna said that the high rate of noncompliance with the law could only be interpreted as a large-scale civil disobedience, given the high level of interest and concern about the law on the part of gun owners.

“It’s not that they aren’t aware of the law,” said Capanna. “The lack of registration is a massive act of civil disobedience by gun owners statewide.”

Opposition to the SAFE Act has been widespread across upstate New York, where 52 of the state’s 62 counties, including Ulster, have passed resolutions opposing the law. Upstate police agencies have also demonstrated a marked lack of enthusiasm for enforcing the ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines. According to statistics compiled by the state Department of Criminal Justice Services, there have been just 11 arrests for failure to register an otherwise-legal assault weapon since the SAFE Act took effect in March 2013 and 62 for possession of a large capacity magazine. In Ulster County, where 463 assault weapons have been registered, there have been just three arrests for possession of large-capacity magazines and none for failure to register an assault weapon. Ulster County Sheriff Paul VanBlarcum has been a vocal critic of the law; he said he believed large numbers of Ulster County gun owners had chosen to ignore the registration requirement.

“We’re a rural county with a lot of gun enthusiasts,” said VanBlarcum. “So [463] sounds like a very low number.”




VanBlarcum said he had advised deputies to use their discretion when it came to making arrests for SAFE Act violations like unregistered assault weapons and he had no plans to undertake proactive enforcement measures.


“We are not actively out looking to enforce any aspect of the SAFE Act,” said VanBlarcum.

Capanna said the registration debacle pointed to bigger issues with the SAFE Act: while federal firearms laws and the bureaucracy that enforces them date back a century, New York was effectively trying to create an entirely new regulatory framework from scratch. Capanna pointed to a SAFE Act requirement for background checks on ammunition sales as an example of regulatory overreach. The mandate has gone unenforced because the federal database used to screen gun buyers cannot be legally used for any other purpose. The state, meanwhile, has failed to come up with its own database to track ammunition sales.

Capanna added that the state police, who are charged with enforcing the registration requirements, are a police agency, not a regulatory agency with experience interpreting and enforcing complex rules governing lawful activities like firearms and ammunition sales.

“Cuomo would like to mimic the federal government,” said Capanna. “But that’s a substantial, extremely advanced system and he’s doing it as a startup, I think that led to a lot of fumbles along the way.”
I was looking into this and found that the NY SAFE Act banned the sale of new AR-15s but grandfathered those already owned if registered (and most did not). But guess what? Predictably, gun dealers are now selling NY SAFE act compliant "assault weapons." :D

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https://ddsranch.com/ruger-ar-556-5-56mm-new-york-state-safe-act-legal-ar-15-type-rifle/
 
I was looking into this and found that the NY SAFE Act banned the sale of new AR-15s but grandfathered those already owned if registered (and most did not). But guess what? Predictably, gun dealers are now selling NY SAFE act compliant "assault weapons." :D

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https://ddsranch.com/ruger-ar-556-5-56mm-new-york-state-safe-act-legal-ar-15-type-rifle/

Piezoe conveniently ignored my posting on the SAFE act. Yet another example of how bans don't work when applied to the real world.
 

One problem is that liberals know so little about guns. They NYT article cited above for example, has a picture of a man carrying a "rifle." It is clearly a tactical pump shotgun. Very scary looking though, which is what they were looking for.
 
Is it just a coincidence that "PC over law enforcement" Sheriff Israel demonized the NRA on CNN when he knew that his people had cowered outside, ignoring post-Columbine protocol to stop the shooter at all costs, while defenseless children were being slaughtered? Let me think... whose playbook is that out of?

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Is it just a coincidence that "PC over law enforcement" Sheriff Israel demonized the NRA on CNN when he knew that his people had cowered outside, ignoring post-Columbine protocol to stop the shooter at all costs, while defenseless children were being slaughtered? Let me think... whose playbook is that out of?

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Wow!

Guess I shouldn't be surprised. Broward county is full of Dem politicians. Hell, Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the county rep.
 
I was looking into this and found that the NY SAFE Act banned the sale of new AR-15s but grandfathered those already owned if registered (and most did not). But guess what? Predictably, gun dealers are now selling NY SAFE act compliant "assault weapons." :D

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https://ddsranch.com/ruger-ar-556-5-56mm-new-york-state-safe-act-legal-ar-15-type-rifle/

Fixed magazine. Probably have to use stripper clips to load. What a pain.
I've got a POS SKS that I have to load like that.
 
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