Citing The Bible, The EPA Just Changed Its Rules For Science Advisers

The funny thing is, what he and the Trump team with regard to the environment are doing is about as immoral as one can get.

"Compassionate conservative" is an oxymoron.

This is violence against the earth and it's inhabitants.
 
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as if...referring to the bible for an analogy to your current situation is a horrible thing.
how terrible... they want their advisors to be free of conflicts of interest.

you all are fricken nuts.

here is the quote...

"We want to ensure that there’s integrity in the process and that the scientists that are advising us are doing so without any type of appearance of conflict of interest," EPA head Scott Pruitt said at a press conference announcing the directive.

Pruitt used a story from the Book of Joshua to help explain the new policy.

On the journey to the promised land, "Joshua says to the people of Israel: choose this day whom you are going to serve," Pruitt said. "This is sort of like the Joshua principle — that as it relates to grants from this agency, you are going to have to choose either service on the committee to provide counsel to us in an independent fashion or chose the grant. But you can’t do both. That’s the fair and great thing to do."
 
Still no sign in records or archeology of Jews ever being enslaved in Egypt.

The first 'Big Lie'?

Think this Joshua fellow might be bullshit. The Joshua character was a spy I recall? Fitting a professional deceiver is referenced by Pruitt.

They want mostly non-scientists to advise on science boards. Yeah.. makes sense.
 
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other than it being some opposition talking point... where do you get the idea they prefer non scientists to advice on the the science boards.

that is a real question... do you have a link... because I would agree that would seem to be questionable without an excellent explanation.

regarding your knee jerk comment to the use of a reference to the bible....
so what? it was simply a comment about conflicts of interest. no different than if a (different) piece of literature. Its not like he was saying the idea matters because the bible is a true story. He was pointing out... its important to know which master is being served...

Slartibartfast said:
Still no sign in records or archeology of Jews ever being enslaved in Egypt.

The first 'Big Lie'?

Think this Joshua fellow might be bullshit. The Joshua character was a spy I recall? Fitting a professional deceiver is referenced by Pruitt.

They want mostly non-scientists to advise on science boards. Yeah.. makes sense.
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jem said:
other than it being some opposition talking point... where do you get the idea they prefer non scientists to advice on the the science boards.

that is a real question... do you have a link... because I would agree that would seem to be questionable without an excellent explanation.

regarding your knee jerk comment to the use of a reference to the bible....
so what? it was simply a comment about conflicts of interest. no different than if a (different) piece of literature. Its not like he was saying the idea matters because the bible is a true story. He was pointing out... its important to know which master is being served...
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From the linked article:
"Frankly, this directive is nuts," Al Teich of George Washington University wrote in an email to BuzzFeed News.

"There is an important role for citizen advisors who are not experts in a scientific field and who represent various constituencies on advisory committees," wrote Teich, a research professor of science, technology, and international affairs. "But they should complement, not replace the experts. Disqualifying the very people who know the most about a subject from serving as advisors makes no sense."
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I've not checked alternative views but it smells right for Pruitt. His referencing the bible is intentional, it is a dog whistle to the no second flood loonies I imagine.
 
exactly... just some talking point.... we have no reason to believe its true.

it looks to me that there probably a lot of advisors in d.c. who sit on govt advisory boards and get to steer income to their own companies. This rule seems to be saying you can advise us or work for us ... but you can't do both. Which seems 100 percent logical to a non swamp person.

I am happy to be corrected if its true they really prefer citizen advisors to scientist advisors.


Slartibartfast said:
From the linked article:
"Frankly, this directive is nuts," Al Teich of George Washington University wrote in an email to BuzzFeed News.

"There is an important role for citizen advisors who are not experts in a scientific field and who represent various constituencies on advisory committees," wrote Teich, a research professor of science, technology, and international affairs. "But they should complement, not replace the experts. Disqualifying the very people who know the most about a subject from serving as advisors makes no sense."
"

I've not checked alternative views but it smells right for Pruitt. His referencing the bible is intentional, it is a dog whistle to the no second flood loonies I imagine.
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I don't know ... this was the first link I checked. I realize its a jewish source but it seems like pretty good evidence.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/archaeology/1.713849

Other Egyptian papyruses (Anastasi III & IV) discuss using straws in mud bricks, as mentioned in Exodus 5:7: "You must not gather straw to give to the people to make bricks as formerly. Let themsleves go and gather straw for themselves".
The tomb of vizier Rekhmire, ca. 1450 BCE, famously shows foreign slaves “making bricks for the workshop-storeplace of the Temple of Amun at Karnak in Thebes” and for a building ramp. They are labeled "captures brought-off by His Majesty for work at the Temple of Amun". Semites and Nubians are shown fetching and mixing mud and water, striking out bricks from molds, leaving them to dry and measuring their amount, under the watchful eyes of Egyptian overseers, each with a rod. The images bear out descriptions in Ex. 1:11-14; 5:1-21. (“They made their life bitter with hard labor, as they worked with clay mortar and bricks and in very form of slavery in the field” - Exodus 1:14a)
Also, the biblical description of how Hebrew slaves suffered under the lash is borne out by the Egyptian papyrus Bologna 1094, telling how two workers fled their taskmaster “because he beat them”. So it seems the biblical descriptions of Egyptian slavery are accurate.
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/archaeology/1.713849


I thought this was interesting although I know its not really proof...


http://www.aish.com/h/pes/t/f/British-Museum--Evidence-of-Israelite-Slavery-in-Egypt.html


Slartibartfast said:
Still no sign in records or archeology of Jews ever being enslaved in Egypt.

The first 'Big Lie'?

Think this Joshua fellow might be bullshit. The Joshua character was a spy I recall? Fitting a professional deceiver is referenced by Pruitt.

They want mostly non-scientists to advise on science boards. Yeah.. makes sense.
More...
 
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jem said:
exactly... just some talking point.... we have no reason to believe its true.

it looks to me that there probably a lot of advisors in d.c. who sit on govt advisory boards and get to steer income to their own companies. This rule seems to be saying you can advise us or work for us ... but you can't do both. Which seems 100 percent logical to a non swamp person.

I am happy to be corrected if its true they really prefer citizen advisors to scientist advisors.
More...

Al Teich is "just some talking point"? Sorry, I actually don't follow, not messing about.
 
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